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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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Post by smelly on Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:04 pm

You cannot give people truth, they must realize it themselves, but we can always encourage through our own light the light to come out in others.

By openly and freely sharing, we give others permission to create themselves as well.

The world is not overpopulated, it’s run inefficiently.

Personal agendas will all be dissolved in self realization, why so many fear it.

Illuminated ones may encourage it in others through evil and good to help facilitate self realization, acting as active first person agents of consciousness.

In this way evil is very necessary and beyond simple good and evil binary judgements.

The Accuser is your trainer, to make sure you do the work.

There is always a price to pay, an exchange of energy if you dance with the Devil, then God eats you.

Fun.

Jesus said the same basically if you see him with your true eyes and not the eyes of an idol worshipper.

He gave you the formula for the great work, die to yourself to be born again.

I think he was always speaking of the enteral now, not the historical one.

But let’s assume there is only One consciousness,, the 7 would be part of that as you are, equal. Any you meet, just a slice of heaven and hell in a unique frequency of the One.

Let’s assume time doesn’t really exist, but simply how the objects are related, what is prophecy in light of this?

Most won’t face their darkness and they will not realize truth if they don’t.

Don’t be distracted by the darkness of others, take account of your own.

Listen to all of it and choose to worship idols or realize your self, that’s the path to wisdom, no other path exists than this.

It’s tour great work to accomplish and create yourself.

That choice is in your hands, don’t give it away, take hold of it completely.

You’ll see if you look within with an open mind and heart.

I swear you will find what you seek, your destruction or realization.

Have fun.
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Post by dan on Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:00 am

Are we self made?  Yes and no.  

Is Creation self made?  Yes and no.  

Creation and you and I are eternal, despite appearances to the contrary.  

Everything is made teleologically....... us and the stars.  

No one can prove this to you.  Faith is ultimate.  Faith is the Absolute.

What I can and will do is deconstruct the Big Lie..... the Big Bang.

The Truth will then fill that vacuum...... in its and your own sweet time.  

I embrace the Big Lie.  I’ll make it my own...... if you want.  

It was the best possible Big Lie, and you may take that to the Big Bank in the sky.  


Here, at the lake, we have the showdown of the magicians.  Who’s magic is more powerful...... mine or Joe’s....?  Nollo contenderer.  It is no contest..... only the appearance of one.  

A funny thing happened on the way to 1.0...... the Council appeared.... somewhat bemused by the situation.  Who conjured whom?  To the best of my understanding, it was mutual.  

The gyros were just training wheels........ look, Ma, 2.0 will have no wheels.  

How the heck will it work.....? It will work by pure entanglement.  Thank you very much, Princess.  

Through the power of teleological magic, we have conjured ourselves and the world into the best possible existence.  You may take that to the bank, smelly....... this is the WoM/MoAPS.  Take it or leave it...... you’ll look funny without it.  

If the day goes well, Frank will fly Joe and me out to meet Charlie at the ranch.

The weather is looking good...... definitely VFR....... and we have information OMEGA.


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Re: Immaterialism 3

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Again.

Pics or it didn't happen.

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Skinwalker Ranch?
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Did I say that?
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Post by Aaron on Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:16 pm

She is like a cat in the dark and then
She is the darkness
She rules her life like a fine skylark and when
The sky is starless
Once in a million years a lady like her rises


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Post by smelly on Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:59 pm

A meditation follows I wrote on the plane today on my way to the other side of the world.

I don’t know that I mentioned, I am taking a trip around the world during the first two weeks of December right now for work.

Here we go...

“I too am a Star, wandering around together with you, shining out of the depths.”

— From a Greek recipe for immortality spoken to the Gods asking for their help.

I beseech the Gods find me worthy and grant me access to the realm of the Gods.

You must cultivate the sound of silence, syrinx.

An inscription above an Ancient Greek temple, a gateway to the Underworld said the following.

After a person comes into contact with the source of this sound then ‘there’s no tearing ones heart away, because it allows no separation.’

There is one central key to understand their recipe for immortality, the initiate’s approach to the Sun.

The Sun is our God of Gods. It is through the Sun you are born again. To do this you must travel the path of the Sun yourself. You must become a Sun-Runner. This was the last stage of Ancient Greek Initiation.

This name is given to someone who’s able to ride the chariot of the Sun.

You will hear doors opening in silence as a piping.

The recipe goes on...

The Sun has a tube in it hanging down, a musical pipe.

The Sun is the Syriktes, The Piper.

You will hear a persistent sound of piping as you follow the path of the Sun, in the chariot of the Sun, led by the daughters of the Sun.

The smelly goat asked the Gods of the Underworld for help and this is where they sent me, to Parmenides and the recipe of immortality.

This recipe points back to the 5th century BC.

The piping is described as the great snake’s hissing.

Apollo did battle with the snake that guarded the path to the Underworld. He takes its shape to those who come close to the Underworld.

Asclepius took over his father Apollo’s healing powers in later centuries after Parmenides. For those not ready, his hissing would terrify them. It sounds like the wildest nature sounds while you are alone in the wild while in a state of deep incubation. All the planets make this sound spinning round the Sun.

That’s some powerful MoJo.

A Physikos was someone concerned with the basic principles of existence, who’s able to touch the bare bones on what things are and used the knowledge the find. It used to describe magicians and alchemists.

It’s the root of physician, physicist and physical. To know these bare things brought healing. The name was found applied to Parmenides on an ancient statue where he was identified as an Iatromantis, a healer.

Physikos were the earliest philosophers. Philosophy was not just an intellectual speculation for them. They used to be healers and physicists as well. Thus Philosophy has been shattered and it’s real power stripped.

Imagine a Dr, a Physicist and Philosopher all in one.

Specialization has disconnected us from meaning. Before you can truly heal someone, you must understand true human nature at is most base.

This is so incredibly real to me. This tradition resonates with life for me.

We are so lost, so so lost today after following the Mind our of Eden, but look, if a smelly goat can find his way back to source, anyone can.

I know I have.

An Iatromantis was concerned with bringing the deepest healing and wholeness to the sick through incubation.

They healed the ailments of the soul, the true source of illness. They healed ignorance.

Pythagoras went from city to city not talking, but healing on this deep deepest level.

Those whole people could then help others get their lives in order as well.

Science ha thrown a wet blanket over this healing art of philosophy. I have rediscovered it for my self, only you can.

This process did not have its origin in thinking and reasoning. It’s power comes from experiencing other states of consciousness. These are mystics and magicians.

No real healing can come, nor will your work have any power, unless you discover for your self what is behind the world of thought and senses.

Do you hear the piper piping?

And there you have it.

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Post by Foot Mann on Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:15 pm

The Discloser has seen the Sun; finally he did not Run; for those involved it was no Fun! Brave and Bold he flew the Coup; fleeing from a pile of Poop; uber transport up the Loop. The Little Chicken has become a Cock; up the path he did walk; of Cheese and Bees he did talk! Now he knows what the world cannot, by blogging time he must have forgot!
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Post by cwallatruth on Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:54 pm

Foot Mann wrote:The Discloser has seen the Sun; finally he did not Run; for those involved it was no Fun! Brave and Bold he flew the Coup; fleeing from a pile of Poop; uber transport up the Loop. The Little Chicken has become a Cock; up the path he did walk; of Cheese and Bees he did talk! Now he knows what the world cannot, by blogging time he must have forgot!

Applying significance to that which is not
A judgement of value that your will had wrought;
Whose judgement and whose value is that which I speak
Of mine about yours or yours about seek;
And what do we seek but truth of it all
I learn more about mine when others make calls
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Post by dan on Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:13 pm

Unfortunately, I don’t know what forgot, because, if I knew, I’d be blabbing..... for sure.  

I didn’t get to the ranch.  I didn’t get to meet Charlie.  

I did get to talk to a mission elder at the square.  He knew some of the standard stuff about Mormon cosmology.
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Post by smelly on Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:38 am

Only ceasing thinking will bring you into contact with the unspeakable world...the rest is mental masturbation.
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Post by dan on Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:37 am

smelly,

You are almost right....... It’s just your choice of words is not the best.  

I would humbly suggest that the better word in this context would be ‘striving’, rather than ‘thinking’.  

With that modification, we’re on the same page, smelly.

And, speaking of striving, I only had to go a tenth of the way around the world, in order to demonstrate this...... proposition.

And, it was 25 years ago that Chris Staub told me that I could rest assured that we were dealing with some very competent people.  

And, furthermore, Princess, with regard to Salt Lake City, I believe that we can sound the ‘all clear’ signal.

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To let go and stop striving, one must rest. In order to rest you must have something to rest/lean into. Speaking or Mormon Cosmology. Enjoy your Saturday morning cartoons...



Dan,

"I believe that we can sound the ‘all clear’ signal."

"Clear" as in we are clear to go? Or "clear" as in the issue is resolved? Or "clear" as in the Scientology soteriology?
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Post by dan on Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:14 am

dd,

When I arrived, there was a red hornet alert. Then a yellow jacket alert.

With my departure, we may all get back to business as usual.
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Post by Guest on Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:23 am

Hmmmm sounds strikingly similar to a major theme in Delonge's latest fiction book...

It also reminds me of one of the most iconic 90s hip-hop videos...
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Post by smelly on Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:06 pm

Ok Dan, same difference I guess. Lots of circle jerks going on. It’s very human. We are just out of the trees after all.

Only the unspeakable world is real.

Unlike you Dan, I’m not led around by ignorant delusional muppets who don’t know how or what to think, take no ones word for anything.

Any not dwelling in the underworld are incompetent. I would not trust them, not in the least.

They do good and reward themselves with evil. Muppets are liars and cheats mostly, I don’t blame them though. This is just the nature of living in an illusory world.

I wouldn’t be like, kill em all, that’s evil muppet thinking. That’s truly ignorant. Some may think that and need to think that to dissolve the world while a new one rises. All have their part. I don’t judge the wicked or good.

They equal Zero. In that Zero we dwell and have our being. So we will run into evil and good in equal mix.

You know this.

The program takes hold in some, but most have shorted out their receiver radios on purpose.

Dd you have to learn to rest in the opposites, in uncertainty. There is no warm blanket outside of you. We stand in the stark cold of space and time.

We do have each other though here and now, but most are engaged in active idol worship, so they are fun to mess with, but I don’t trust them.

The more uncertainty we can swallow, the clearer we can be.

Anything you can lean on is an idol, it isn’t really there.

That is truest for the ‘I’.

It’s just an abstraction.

Abstractions, abstractions, abstractions.

Let’s be real.

You don’t see us
Now you do
You can’t see us
Unless we want you to
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Post by dan on Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:27 pm

Poor, Charlie...... I had to send my regrets. But Charlie does have some tough competition, back here.

Maybe we can have a rain check. I didn’t want to overstay my ‘welcome’ out there. Better to have a visit be too short than too long.
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Post by smelly on Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:21 am

Dan, our DAIMONS have wrestled here together and I have enjoyed it immensely.

Thank you.

As all Daimon are of the One, we have wrestled only with our self.

Daimon must use mask to reach other Daimon as they are timeless.

The profane and vulgar can’t see or hear me, but you can.

As garzparz first and then as my unified self, smelly.

He is a she it turns out. She has revealed some very interesting things today.

She speaks in bolts of Lightening.

I am the simple husk and mask.

I see it all very clearly to now.

She prepares me for death illustrious.

I hope the Others have enjoyed the dance.

Where from here, through the Gates of Imagination.

Straight on.
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Post by dan on Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:56 am

Piece of shit Dan - you betrayed my trust and I do what I do and you bring nothing but trouble.
When it comes to where we are and what I did - fuck you Dan - fuck you how you've treated me and fuck you even after our dinner talks here at the Lake - I think you are nothing but a piece of shit.
And you are a piece of shit Dan - I am looking forward to smearing you all over this place
You are a scumfuck Dan.
You have no business here, you scumpunk, and you will vanish like anyone who came here before....
Evil people try to transgress - simply not gonna happen
Hmmm.......... we don’t say.  

It does seem that we managed to step in a (red) hornets nest.  

It also seems that our little metanarrative has come full circle.  

This little story started twenty some years ago..... in speaking with Rick Doty........

In speaking with Rick, there was a blue book, a red book and a yellow book.  

Also, back in that same time frame, there were three persons of interest....... EBE1,2&3.  Two of them I christened..... Charlie and Charlene.  

Now, be it understood that I grasp at straws......

But I’m paparazzi Smith, and I will grasp at anything to get a good story, especially if that story happens to be the metanarrative.  

This story goes back at least to Moses, and, before that, probably back to the Nephilim.....

And, mind you, that there are many such stories out there.... they are all intertwined...... one is tempted to call it the eternal golden braid..... holy blood, holy grail...... etc, etc.......

Let’s grasp at a straw, and suppose that Princess is Charlene.  That might explain a few things........ a few loose ends......

How many loose ends are there?  According to one source, there are approximately 7,631,989,053 loose ends, approximately now.  

That’s a lot of loose ends.  According to some it’s too many...... according to others, it’s too few.  I’ll take a wild guess and say it’s just about right....... for what?  For Disclosure?  Hmmm.......

There is a bottom line here, sports fans.  The bottom line is that every last one of us is a person of interest (and a loose end)....... but it goes further..... the last of us will be the first, and the first of us will bring up the rear. If you don’t believe me, you can always ask John Wheeler..... or Sister Lin....... out at Temple Square.  

And the Mormons have learned a trick..... they have learned how we can save our ancestors.  I’ve learned a similar trick..... how we save our descendants....... it’s a small world after all.  

And Lin should talk to Leon.  

The question of the hour is whether chicken little is ebe1...... more loose ends. Dang me, take a rope and hang me.......



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And I learned a trick too Dan, how to save my self.

That’s a nasty confused muppet you quoted who doesn’t understand at all what is happening and that good and evil are just correctives, and clearly, they have no knowledge of who they are.

That’s why we are here now.

My Daimon says the Mormons are an idol worshipping dead end.

You can’t really trust an idol worshipper.

They will stick the knife in deep and twist it with a grin.

This isn’t a life for wimps.

Study Henry Corbin.
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Post by dan on Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:25 am

I might have found the Achilles heel...... ouch.  It’s a good thing I pulled out in time.  Red hornet alert.

And what’s the best thing to do when you stick your finger in a bee hive?  Run like crazy...... maybe all the way to ShangriLa.  Isn’t that right, Princess?  Or maybe to Brazilia...... but walk.... do not run.  

And we’ve probably figured out who Charlie is.  Isn’t that right, sports fans?

And I hope that Doug doesn’t have to rewrite his musical.
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Post by smelly on Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:03 am

Everything we encounter in life is mythical and imaginal and requires total commitment by the muppet to learn to understand this in the context of our lives now, where it is lived.

The vulgar and profane, with no myth or imagination, make it all literal and become Fundamentalists or Hedonists.

How can I impart these living worlds and fantastic visions to the muppet?

One by one.

For ours is not a battle against flesh and blood...but against ‘ignor’ance.

I don’t think you are as big a dick as that guy thinks you are Dan Wink

Bahahaha

I felt to post this. You can find most anything on the Internet.



Jack doesn’t know DAIMONS live future to past.

The smelly goat knows more than all of you combined Wink

The Green Man takes you beyond the wall.

He allows you to see the soul of the Earth.

Dan, our two worlds collide.

Highly recommend.

Green Man, Earth Angel: The Prophetic Tradition and the Battle for the Soul of the World

https://www.amazon.com/Green-Man-Earth-Angel-Traditions/dp/0791462706/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1544359055

Mystical Philosophy seems to be my calling.

I think I’ll start writing my books now Wink
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Post by dan on Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:48 am

smelly,

I recommend the blog approach.  I don’t think we have the big picture completely figured out yet.  

The smaller pictures can’t really be painted without knowing the frame.

It’s like putting together a jigsaw puzzle.  You can’t figure where the pieces go without knowing the bigger picture.  

Well, science tried that approach, from the bottom, up, and look where that got them.  

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the King’s horses, all the King’s men, couldn’t put Humpty together again.  

So it looks like you and I will have to, smelly.  


1:30........

News flash from Aaron....... the Princess is claiming to have been Jesus.  Aaron and I are taking this under advisement.  

Furthermore, Aaron agrees with Leon....... there may be precious little daylight between Mormonism and the BPWH.  What are we gonna do about them apples?

And, yes, I’m presently reading Tom’s book...... Green Man.....


3.............

I’ve been listening to Tom’s podcast...... http://tns.commonweal.org/podcasts/tom-cheetham/#.XA1JQxpOmhB

What separates me from the mystics and academics is rather simple....... it is...... see something, saying something.  

Yes there is a lot of talk, but too much of it goes into thin air.  

You have to figure out how to call 911...... it was not rocket science.  Otherwise, it is a clashing of cymbals.  


5........

The introduction by Robert Sardello to Tom’s Green Man book is very close to spot on, in its comparison of Christianity and Ismailism.  I’m looking forward to reading the book, itself.  

That’s the great benefit and limitation of mysticism...... it’s all about the denial of urgency or emergency. There is not the slightest concern with the flow of events, other than how they might effect one personally.

Islam is only, very superficially, a part of the prophetic tradition.



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