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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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Post by dan on Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:09 pm

First topic message reminder :

[The original topic reminder post http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:23 pm

I am smelly and smiling [smiley]https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/smiley]
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Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:28 pm

Ninhursag sounds nothing like Aliyah...

That's a funny name...I bet she would love being called Ninhursag.

Bwahahaha

Oh...Nisa

duh...

ya, that's closer

clown


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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:30 pm

I’m happy to say Foot, I never worry or think about any of your idolatry.

I just come here when the flow draws me to check your bullshit.

It’s easy, I’m having fun and you guys joke about killing the world.

You have it all wrong [smiley]https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/smiley]

I nor you know what’s going to happen and I’m freed by that.

Yuh are in chains.

Take my words in deep and they will grow hopefully if you aren’t a total muppet.

Same for that Princess of yours.

You guys have your life and leave us all out of it, ok [smiley]https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/smiley]

I am the discloser here, of you.
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Re: Immaterialism 3

Post by Foot Mann on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:31 pm

DesertDweller dug a little deeper, but the facts are obscured by Jewish interpretation and tradition. The reporter, scholar, and author Michael Drosnin also struggled with getting a grip on the origin of the terms and proper interpretation.
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Re: Immaterialism 3

Post by Reptile on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:34 pm

"Sometimes I think that I can kill the world
If just for a day
but I'd just be stuck with myself again
And I don't think I wanna be my only friend"

Read more: Stone Temple Pilots - Samba Nova Lyrics | MetroLyrics
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Re: Immaterialism 3

Post by Reptile on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:35 pm

See Aaron, we all float down here...
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:35 pm

All terms are false.

You are dumb on top of being an Idolator.

A smelly goat has you beat 10 ways to Sunday because I am straight on

Bahahahaha

The gods laugh at you.

I added an extra ‘ha’ just for you.


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Post by desertdweller on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:36 pm

Woman allah is probably a stretch.

The word "alah" long predates it's later evolution and use in Islam. Foot said to go a bit earlier than that. Might have to pull out my ancient language tools.

In the mean time, Smelly will keep talking to Hume to keep everyone in line...
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Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:36 pm

Reptile wrote:See Aaron, we all float down here...

Bwahaha

The clown emoji...good one!
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Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:41 pm

Wikipedia is as deep as I'm digging.

Maybe we should go directly to the source.

Someone should ask Aliyah herself what she would want others to know or understand her name means.

If they really want to know that is...


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Post by dan on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:44 pm

Am I on the right thread..... this time???
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Post by desertdweller on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:45 pm

Foot,

I'm not done yet. That was no digging on my part. That was just working knowledge in my head from Hebrew I-IV in Seminary.
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Re: Immaterialism 3

Post by Foot Mann on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:52 pm

Indeed you do appear to be on the correct path, whereas Mr. Smith is rapidly approaching a dead end.
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:54 pm

Everything in the world is a false image of what is inside us.

For you to try to prop your idols up here is funny Foot.

They will all be knocked down forever.

That’s life [smiley]https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/smiley]

I smash all the idols I find, you have to, there are too many flying around.

We are infected with idols and lies.

In that light, you are all transparent [smiley]https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/smiley]

Bahahahahaha

Added another ‘ha’.

I’m here to help clean up and evolve our consciousness.

“There two kinds of idolatry, idolatry of a thing, a thought, or a process that is not imagined to be participating in any life other than its own separate life.

And then there is the narrower form of idolatry, which the Jewish religion attempted to eradicate as a foundational strategy of its own faith system. Effectively, and ironically, they anticipated the modernist agenda of the new atheists, in attempting eliminate all vestiges of original participation—and with no less vigilance. But unlike the atheists, this strategy was to direct the people away from the creation and toward the Creator.

“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in earth below or that is in the water under the earth”.

When this was written the Jewish nation was literally surrounded by cultures for whom these graven images formed the heart of their religion. More than this, who can say that they were not actually participating in them? Barfield claims that an “idol is an image on its way to becoming an object”. And idol worship is the “effective tendency to abstract the sense-content from the whole representation and seek that for its own sake”. For this writer, it is hard to justify the kind of terror that was enacted in the name of smashing the “idols” that constitute other people’s devotional forms, a terror that has been re-enacted throughout history, including in the Protestant revolution. One thinks of the Taliban destroying the Buddhas of Bamiwam in 2001.buddhas of Bamiyan

Yet Barfield believes that this zealous disdain for and smashing of idols was a service on behalf of the evolution of human consciousness. But to get to this understanding we need to appreciate the surprising connection with human memory.”

I perform my service with glee.

So are you promoting idols or final participation?

Because this is it muppets.

Here, take my hammer and start smashing.

Hulk smash idol thingies!!!

You don’t need to know what anyone else’s name means.

Because we all have the same face.

Like, super duh.

Blow this dufus Foot out of your ear, he can stick his names and idols up his ass Wink

**MUAH**


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Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:57 pm



O Oysters, come and walk with us!'
The Walrus did beseech.
A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each.'

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head —
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.
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“Memory is the way that humans take the images or phenomena, and make them an inward experience. Memory, because it is enacted by self-conscious creatures, wrests things from an original participation. I am no longer one with the thing I see before me. I am differentiated sufficiently that I can now name these phenomena and internalize them. They no longer have me. I have them. When I experience phenomena in memory, I make them “mine”, not now by virtue of original participation, but by my own inner activity. It is from this activity in memory, that the human word, according to Aquinas, ‘proceeds'”. For once the phenomena are mine, I can reproduce them in the form of words.

As we were once created by the Word of G_d (“let there be”), so now the future is created by our words by using sacred imagination (imagination that is in coherence with the Divine Word). This is very close to what is involved for Barfield in the shift from original participation(to which there is no going back) to final participation. This brings us to the role of the Jewish nation in the evolution of consciousness, according to Barfield. I’ll quote at some length. We will see that their zeal to rid the world of idols was grounded in their desire to refer all created things back to the Originating Source out of which the phenomenal world emerges. In doing so, they functioned on a collective level, much like the memory functions on an individual level.”

Your words and story Foot are not coherent with the Divine Logos in my soul.

So you are lying by accident or on purpose.

Thank the Jews for keeping the light on.

“The place of the Jews in this history of Earth, that is of man as a whole, when we see the Children of Israel occupying in that history, which memory occupies in the composition of an individual man. The Jews, with their language trailing vestiges of the world’s Creator and their special awareness of history, were the dawning memory of the human race. They too tore the phenomena from their setting of original participation, and made them inward, with intent to re-utter them from within as word. They cultivated the inwardness of the represented (G_d). They pinpointed participation to the Divine Name, the I Am spoken only from within, and it was the logic of their whole development that the cosmos of wisdom should henceforth have its perennial source, not without, behind the appearances, but within the consciousness of man; not in front of his senses and his figurations, but behind them.” — Owen Barfield

You obvious haven’t done your homework.

Get behind me.


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Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:11 pm

I don't believe in Smelly...

I just believe in me...Ser-od and me...and that's reality.

Wink

Hehe
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:15 pm

I didn’t ask for your belief muppet, nor do I need it.

And the name is smelly, smelly goat.
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Post by dan on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:16 pm

Dead end...........

Uh, oh........


I believe in smelly and Aaron....... see how smart I am.  

And, get this, sports fans, I believe in the Princess.

The Footman..........?

Well, he is a working stiff. I respect him for that.

I’ve been there.


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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:19 pm

We are being participated by G_d, kinda tickles.
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Post by Aaron on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:20 pm

The King of relationships and persons strikes again.

Okay, I believe in smelly goat....inasmuch as he is me.
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Post by smelly on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:26 pm

When the self is abstracted from the milieu of life, it becomes little more than an observer of discrete objects and experiences, we become literalists—there is nothing behind or within the appearances. When we can no longer feel that we are being lived by the Whole, by the Originating Mystery, and that every experience is an invitation to respond spontaneously to this presence that is living us, we are in danger of becoming idols and idolaters.

Just act naturally and let the Whole move through you.

And of course, don’t try to make the world, go with the world always emerging.

It’s a winning strategy.

The battle is already over, just relax and smash those idols.

Consciousness is a wild animal, never predictable.

It takes great vigilance to stay frosty, straight on.

And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. —John 20:22


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Post by dan on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:31 pm

Yes, smelly,

All we have to do is act naturally.  That might be the hardest thing to do.

I couldn’t possibly be doing this if Foot hadn’t held my hand for 27 years. That is quite a while.

You understand that Aliyah was always in these wings...... boots on the ground........


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