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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:03 pm

First topic message reminder :

[The original topic reminder post http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism  
should be substituted here... ]
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:17 am

dan wrote:hobbit,

Please, do not waste bandwidth on an immaterialism thread talking about galaxies.  

Have you no clue as to how stupid that is?


You really know how to lose friends and unfluence people, Dan. It's like you took Dale Carnagie's old book and reversed the page count, running it through a page projector backwards.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:53 am

That's pretty funny because it's kind of true. I've only been on here a few months and I've seen AP, Smelly, and now Hobbit getting the Dan treatment that encourages them to leave. Which begs the question, WTF is the point of this forum and Dan's participation? The logical answer would be.... absolutely nothing for the people I listed above.

It feels mostly like an intellectual playground with a lot of talk about how we must destroy the ego by people wielding the power of their ego.

Here's a topic for Dan... Steve Bassett says Trump will resign b/w Nov 7 and Jan 3. What say you?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:19 am

cw,

That sounds about right........ it’s time to move on..... org.


PF,

Sounds about right........


GC,

Shock jock for the Eschaton........? I like it.

Rendelsham........ I’ll be sure to tell BobK to include an episode in the series.......



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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:26 am

dan wrote:cw,
That sounds about right........ it’s time to move on..... org.

Dan,
What's your basis for it being time to move on? What has or has not happened to give you this opinion?
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:34 am

The Limits is Understanding...Klee



“It was a painting of this immensely complicated structure made up of linear pieces. It climbs, and it climbs, and it climbs, and above it is this perfect sphere floating in space. And when I saw that … I looked at that painting and I thought, I know exactly what that is:

You can’t get there from here!” he said.

There is a gap between what you can prove with the tools available to you and what you believe to be true. Mathematicians spend decades constructing proofs for intuitions they had years earlier. Artists struggle to capture an inspiration on canvas. Scientists follow hunches, writers follow stories, all of us stumble forward on a tightrope of our own making without any guarantee that it will bear us. The painting is by Paul Klee; it is called Limits of Understanding.”

We tumble and tumble and tumble in the wash of the waves.

My beautiful sweet wife had 2 screaming night terror events last night.

It was a three eyed alien looking in our bedroom window in her dream.

Woke me up twice.

Not normal.

Something is looking in, maybe we are looking in on our own projections into this matrix.

It will take a leap to make clear contact.

Personally, I’m naming them, calling the lurkers into the light.

They have no choice but to show themselves.

The appearances are saved through folly.

Consciousness is playing with us, dancing with us.

No one is right or wrong.

This is a happening.

Don’t follow any pied pipers or good or bad actors.

Who is left then?

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by cwallatruth on Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:17 am

the individual?

Welcome back, smelly. I've seen lots of dead deer on the road past few days.... like way more than what would be normal / expected. Good to see a goat come back to life.

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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by hobbit on Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:24 am

Dan is the main reason I am on this forum.

It's only words, and words are all I have here, trouble is I don't have many.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tccpGP80oik






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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:58 am

I am not here for that foolish old man.

They use Dan, they whore themselves out to shadow images for nothing really.

I like being a useful idiot.

I am not gone or here cw.

I AM my self.

No thing could be here for me but me.

I meet my self everywhere in every time in every image.

Who am I?

I’m nothing but Awareness.

The rest is just the mechanisms of the matrix.

Our Panopticon.

Enjoy the show.

Don’t listen to any muppets, especially me.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Reptile on Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:43 pm

Well glad to have you back anyway Smelly! Sorry for giving you and your wife such a scare, I was just checking on you two making sure things were okay!
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by Reptile on Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:22 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2018/tv/news/laurence-fishburne-to-star-in-and-produce-ufo-drama-series-rendlesham-1203015129/amp/
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:54 pm

Well Rep, I remember nothing from those contacts, only rarely have I been lucid and seen them.

My wife sees everything though and remembers it all, so watch it.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

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Lol kidding Smelly


I think
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Post by Cuan Scott on Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:11 pm

Welcome back Smelly Smile

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Post by smelly on Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:08 pm

No no Wink

I’m not here, but I am here.

Dan called me yesterday, I did not call him, nor do I.

I told him I had nothing to say, but I can talk about anything.

Today he called and he didn’t sound too good. He said Disclosure was starting today.

Bless this muppet’s foolish heart.

He doesn’t have an off button.

Dan keeps calling me drunk, getting himself arrested and god only knows what else he puts his poor wife through.

I suspect Dan has info, he says if I knew more I would be scared.

No I wouldn’t be scared, they can kidnap me and strangle me and cut me up.

Perhaps the Saudi thing was a warning to all who oppose power.

Yes you can torture and kill us, but you can’t stop consciousness.

What a bunch of idiots, really, muppet central.

Is Dan scared, drinking might say he is.

Is Dan connected to anything, of course he is, he’s connected to us at least and a lot of other weirdos.

Maybe I’m a little worried about him, but he is a big boy and had a good life it seems, so whatever, he could croak any day, peace to him.

No, I’m not Dan’s replacement, though he likes to try to manipulate me, I’m only here out of curiosity and love in the end.

I don’t want parts of my self taken advantage of by morons if I can help it as well, which I can’t in the end.

The Age of Morons is over I hope and now we can get on to the good stuff.

I know nothing about the Hive, nor do I want to.

I know nothing about muppet Disclosure, nor do I want to.

Let’s see what Dan coughs up next, I’m connected to this because I felt at minimum to leave channels of communication open.

I share messages with Dan, maybe I’m just a relay agent or a weather vain of a sort or totally useless to the purposes of evil muppets.

Look, shit happens to me and my wife, like crazy deep energetic real shit.

And when I talk to Dan, weird connections occur.

What does all this lead to or what do I think about it?!

Shit happens.
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Post by smelly on Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:43 pm

I’ll share with all of you my advice to my friend Dan, forget all of this outward seeking now.

Live a joyful fun life dancing.

Fuck the conspiracies.

Forget UFOs.

Let all of this mess go.

Yes, let your life work go.

You have found your self, now get to know who you really are.

We are invited to.

Anyone caught in the matrix is caught in the matrix.

They know nothing.

God is not dead
It is every heartbeat
It is every breath
In every letter
In the dark
In the light

You are surrounded by love, act like it.

Celebrate it
Dance with it
Yell at it
Be love

That’s all.

You can add a note, why waste time lying to yourselves?

Experiencers want to be special and make themselves vulnerable to the wolves.

But you can’t retreat, you have to go straight on.

Guess what, everyone is an experiencer.

You are all special, can we accept it is the only problem. Each an equal fundamental part of a fabric.

But we can’t, we want enemies and friends, winners and losers, Heaven and Hell, opposition can end; vigilance is the gift we are given.

Well, the fun isn’t going to let good and evil spoil the mix.

Oh no, you watch, only the hard work of authentically living makes any difference to anyone.

Try it or you haven’t even begun.

Folly is the path to wisdom, why so many fools are born.

The fool will think they won the universe and then, poof, it will evaporate in their hands.
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Post by dan on Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:23 pm

cw,

Sorry, I forgot yours and Steve’s rumor about donny resigning by January 3.  I love it.  I’m spreading it as fast as I can.  Mike will nominate Nikki Haley to be his Vice President.

Princess and I’ll be sitting behind Ivanka or Heather when the UN reconvenes....... being disguised as Palestinians.  

Any other suggestions.......?  

Yes, I’m beginning to have fun...... especially playing cops and robbers on university campuses...... I’m stealing from the blind.  Isn’t that right, smelly?  

I can’t really tell...... is smelly having fun, or is he complaining?  

Ron’s advice to me relative to universities is that calling me a trespasser is a violation of my civil rights.  I have a right to be crazy and to lie and spit and even disturb people out of their lethargic complacency....... within reasonable limits.  I’m on campus to be an intellectual gadfly...... to challenge the pall of the hegemony of scientific orthodoxy that has hung over academia for too many centuries.  

Princess and I may be doing a couple YouTubes over the weekend.  Stay tuned.  

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Post by cwallatruth on Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:58 am

Oh... we are all tuned. The question is to what frequency. I must say, this and all disinformation shows are very entertaining. It's like the ultimate who's the good guy and bad guy mystery movie.

I can see why I chose this place for this incarnation. What a bore it will be when I get back to being god.

Aliyah seems like such a sweet person. I hope you and her are the good guys/gals.

Dan, what animal do you think you'll turn into when you go into the portal?
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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:50 am

dan wrote:
Yes, I’m beginning to have fun...... especially playing cops and robbers on university campuses...... I’m stealing from the blind.   

Ron’s advice to me relative to universities is that calling me a trespasser is a violation of my civil rights.  I have a right to be crazy and to lie and spit and even disturb people out of their lethargic complacency....... within reasonable limits.  I’m on campus to be an intellectual gadfly...... to challenge the pall of the hegemony of scientific orthodoxy that has hung over academia for too many centuries.  

I'd ignore Ron here and follow your lawyer's advice.
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Post by smelly on Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:06 am

Shrug

It is obvious to the smelly goat not to trust anyone from the DisInformation Agency.

But aren’t we all dupes and fools, it’s our joke, our game.

No stupid muppet can keep anyone down unless they want to stay down.

I think you should take up naked pottery Dan and drink yourself away.

I’m a responsible drinker, but I’m gonna try naked pottery.
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:32 am

smelly wrote:

I think you should take up naked pottery Dan and drink yourself away.

Dan, please don't post videos of that. Pretty please? With chocolate sprinkles on top?
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Post by GrandCru on Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:08 pm




So above we have Tom D, Lou E, and Kevin D recently taping something for publication.

If you're not familiar, Kevin D was a former participant in this forum and was aboard the USS Princeton during the timeframe of the 2004 Tic Tac UAP events.

These pictures were followed by comments from some involved that they were asked to remain quiet on certain topics until November.

So the real question is, did the Hal P team leave Dan out in the cold on all this? Ron knows obviously since he's like best buds with Chris Mellon. But why doesn't Dan know?
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Post by ParanoidFactoid on Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:51 pm

GrandCru wrote:


So above we have Tom D, Lou E, and Kevin D recently taping something for publication.

If you're not familiar, Kevin D was a former participant in this forum and was aboard the USS Princeton during the timeframe of the 2004 Tic Tac UAP events.

These pictures were followed by comments from some involved that they were asked to remain quiet on certain topics until November.

So the real question is, did the Hal P team leave Dan out in the cold on all this? Ron knows obviously since he's like best buds with Chris Mellon. But why doesn't Dan know?

That's some gear. A sound guy, two camera guys working a L position with what looks like Arris and real cine lenses. Looks like Tom's holding a Canon C200 for show. Notice they're working a cloudy day for diffuse light, so they don't need lights or reflectors.

Crew and gear is pro, dudes. That's money.

As for Puthoff, everything he touches is proprietary to either Earthtech or his client. If Dan ain't signed no nondisclosure, he gonna get a big load of quiet.
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Post by GSB/SSR on Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:52 am

Apparently the aliens got word of Dan's 'little' hypothesis and decided to check out the small world on this side of the galaxy:

Could 'Oumuamua be an extraterrestrial solar sail?

"This opportunity establishes a potential foundation for a new frontier of space archaeology, namely the study of relics from past civilizations in space," Loeb wrote. "Finding evidence for space junk of artificial origin would provide an affirmative answer to the age-old question "Are we alone?". This would have a dramatic impact on our culture and add a new cosmic perspective to the significance of human activity."

On the other hand, as Loeb told Universe Today, 'Oumuamua could be an active piece of alien technology that came to explore our solar system, the same way we hope to explore Alpha Centauri using Starshot and similar technologies
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https://phys.org/news/2018-11-oumuamua-extraterrestrial-solar.html


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Post by GSB/SSR on Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:54 am

Here's the paper for the science geeks:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.11490.pdf


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Post by dan on Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:00 am

GC & PF,

I guess I know what I need to, when I need to know it.  


cw,

Ron does not think that donny is gonna resign any time soon.  


Some say that seeing is believing.  If modern philosophy has taught us anything, it has taught us that believing is seeing.  

I can see that, in effect, the Princess and I will be able to save the world today.  I’ll explain how, soon enough.  


Gary,

I guess Omama proves that the BPWH is wrong.  

Darn it....... better luck next time......


10:45(gmt-4)............

The Princess and I will start saving the world today....... one person at a time......

Who’ll be the first victim.......?  

Please, please, do not jam the phone lines, or crash the servers.  

Do not all volunteer at once.  

If you can remain calm enough to call, you know the number, or you can simply volunteer on this thread, if your hands are not shaking too hard.  

All we have to do is explain that it is possible that the Princess is the Queen bee and that I could be the spirit of truth.

Are you ready?  

First, I’ll have to explain it to the Princess.......

I’ll let you know when that happens.  

We’re gonna be like Bo&Peep, just without the applesauce.  

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/heavens-gate-20-years-later-10-things-you-didnt-know-114563/

Then try Heaven’s Gate by Zeller.  


12:30........

So far, we have Buddy, Bob and Doug reading the blog and preparing to be on the Go Team........

Kashmir is showing me the two ‘fossils’ that she made in school, yesterday.


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