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Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:03 pm

First topic message reminder :

[The original topic reminder post http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t320-immaterialism  
should be substituted here... ]
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by 99 on Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:06 pm

Someone who toured Sunspot after it was vacated said that the one building he was able to walk into had a weird smell to it. He couldn't even describe it other than saying it was weird. I think what he was smelling was ozone. I know the smell well and sometimes it lingers on too.
It's not a nice smell. Let's just say that much about it.


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Post by TheSloth on Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:06 pm

99,

Interesting story, thanks for sharing.

I have found that in my experience with portals, out of body experiences were something to pay close attention to.

There may be a grid in the out of body astral realm that is more connected to the source current than normaly experienced.

Hobbit might know more about this...
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by 99 on Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:11 pm

I hesitated to bring up that experience here but, what the heck... thanks for believing me Sloth... not that I want to be believed and that it even matters but just thought I would share.
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Post by TheSloth on Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:35 pm

99,

My pleasure.


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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by smelly on Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:27 pm

I don’t think Prometheus will let the flame die.

Or he may come back and snuff the flame out himself.

Shrug.

Gods are emotional.

Let the light shine through you where you are.

What do you see?

...don’t go wk.

Hobbit, computer rendered cross sections of DNA.

Much like our planets’ orbit around sun as they move through space.



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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by hobbit on Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:17 am

smelly wrote:I don’t think Prometheus will let the flame die.

Or he may come back and snuff the flame out himself.

Shrug.

Gods are emotional.

Let the light shine through you where you are.

What do you see?

...don’t go wk.

Hobbit, computer rendered cross sections of DNA.

Much like our planets’ orbit around sun as they move through space.



Phase conjugation.


No-thing actually exists....which is the basis of this thread?

What IMHO ( in my hobbit opinion) is occurring is memory, Dan BELIEVES in an overall memory He calls god.


Chicken and egg...where god come from?


In a perfectly packed universe of such small scale packing beyond imagination flows consciousness in phase conjugate spiral vortexes

These memory bubbles( orbs) compound in geometric attractions to become ever larger memories.

The closer the memory geometries are to the universe packing ( diamond) the closer this comes to has been called the see through house of god.

Less perfect memories are subject to faster forgetting as consciousness constantly seeks perfection of packing.

Thus our memories are fleeting ones( the physical)
But within the packing geometries are far less dense memories our eternal memories exist in, but We crave physical, so come into 3D temporary vehicles to experience.


In a perfectly packed universe is instant communication, 3D offers up resistance limited to C, but in other dimensions there is little resistance, hence in 5D our 5d memories can travel anywhere instantly.
Phase conjugation is the duality of spin from heart centre back to heart centre.


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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:19 am

hobbit wrote:

Phase conjugation.


An intuitive explanation of phase conjugation:

http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/PhaseConjugate/PhaseConjugate.html
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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by dan on Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:54 am

hobbit,

If there are no things, then there are only thoughts of things.  

There cannot be thoughts without thinkers.  

This is the basis of personalism.  

You may speak with or against this view, but you may not ignore it in the BPW section of this forum.  

Cyrellys is the host of OMF.  I am the host of the BPW section of OMF.  

If you would like to have your own member blog, please feel free.  You may then request Cy or 99 to have your own section.  

As a practical matter the blogs have not been very active.  So, with my permission, you may start a thread in this section, until such time as you are granted your own section.  

Piggy backing your own topic on threads started by others is being inconsiderate, unless your name happens to be smelly.  

smelly is allowed since he is usually directly challenging my authority as ‘Discloser’ as conferred upon me, Chicken Little, by Footmann.  

Yes?
.........


But, hobbit, I see that you are now suggesting an alternative cosmology, so I will, for now, treat that as a direct challenge to the authority of the BPW, and answer you here, and then we might want to have separate threads, and then separate sections, for alternative cosmologies......

In effect, we would have cosmology tournaments.  

Yes??  
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10:45.......

The default cosmology for everyone, after Newton and Darwin is the scientific cosmology.  This holds for virtually everyone...... spiritualists, religionists, irreligionists...... you name it.  They all take their own beliefs and unbeliefs, and overlay them onto the default (scientific) cosmology.

This has been the case ever since the Copernican paradigm shift..... away from geo-, theo- centrism.  

hobbit and I are exceptions.  

Are there other exceptions.......?  

Not really.  Any alternative has to come up with a substitute for space and time...... deep space and deep time.  

Even hobbit fails this test...... he packs some (abstract?) multi dimensional space with memory bubbles.  


12:35.........

The basic problem with your cosmology is the you treat time as if it were an independent, absolute thing in itself.  

This is a throwback to Newton.  With Einstein, both space and time are malleable and relative.  Relative to what, is the question.  

Your notion of memory bubbles is a good one, as far as it goes.....

I gather that you think of each ‘bubble’ as if it were a transient phenomenon.  


2.........

Each bubble of consciousness is transient until it aligns itself with the universal pattern.  

You are not getting away from the chicken and egg problem by invoking a universal pattern.



(cont......)


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Re: Immaterialism 2

Post by hobbit on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:03 am

dan wrote:hobbit,

If there are no things, then there are only thoughts of things.  

There cannot be thoughts without thinkers.  

This is the basis of personalism.  

You may speak with or against this view, but you may not ignore it in the BPW section of this forum.  

Cyrellys is the host of OMF.  I am the host of the BPW section of OMF.  

If you would like to have your own member blog, please feel free.  You may then request Cy or 99 to have your own section.  

As a practical matter the blogs have not been very active.  So, with my permission, you may start a thread in this section, until such time as you are granted your own section.  

Piggy backing your own topic on threads started by others is being inconsiderate, unless your name happens to be smelly.  

smelly is allowed since he is usually directly challenging my authority as ‘Discloser’ as conferred upon me, Chicken Little, by Footmann.  

Yes?
.........


But, hobbit, I see that you are now suggesting an alternative cosmology, so I will, for now, treat that as a direct challenge to the authority of the BPW, and answer you here, and then we might want to have separate threads, and then separate sections, for alternative cosmologies......

In effect, we would have cosmology tournaments.  

Yes??  
.............


10:45.......

The default cosmology for everyone, after Newton and Darwin is the scientific cosmology.  This holds for virtually everyone...... spiritualists, religionists, irreligionists...... you name it.  They all take their own beliefs and unbeliefs, and overlay them onto the default (scientific) cosmology.

This has been the case ever since the Copernican paradigm shift..... away from geo-, theo- centrism.  

hobbit and I are exceptions.  

Are there other exceptions.......?  

Not really.  Any alternative has to come up with a substitute for space and time...... deep space and deep time.  

Even hobbit fails this test...... he packs some (abstract?) multi dimensional space with memory bubbles.  


12:35.........

The basic problem with your cosmology is the you treat time as if it were an independent, absolute thing in itself.  

This is a throwback to Newton.  With Einstein, both space and time are malleable and relative.  Relative to what, is the question.  

Your notion of memory bubbles is a good one, as far as it goes.....

I gather that you think of each ‘bubble’ as if it were a transient phenomenon.  


2.........

Each bubble of consciousness is transient until it aligns itself with the universal pattern.  



(cont......)



This bubble has had enough.
You burst my bubble....bye bye.

You should have this playing on your thread.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG78M7g9wRo


It overrides clear thinking, You are determined that god exists.


All the best to You and all upon here.


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Post by smelly on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:37 am

If you come here and are not too attached to your views, you can take it all.

I don’t know, I think hobbit is having some deep experiences and he fits into this boat of weirdos just fine.

wk to me seems like an open Dude, with his biases and experiences, like all of us.

I do notice you have been very confrontational to people like wk and hobbit Dan who seem sincerely to engage you Dan.

I don’t know I am worthy of any more or less consideration than anyone else, in fact, I know I’m not.

Perhaps I am the most naive, which is fine, I’m becoming more and more like Peter Sellers in ‘Being There’ maybe, but I am still too self aware. As a matter of fact, I feel all of this fairly obvious to the one who opens their minds and heart.

If I do anything. I challenge us to be open.

I say the more the merrier.

I am not trying to maintain a narrative that makes sense, what happens doesn’t necessarily make sense, but there are obvious patterns.

I would only accidentally make sense and most of what I babble can be dismissed as personal confusion and delusion, as you like.

But...but, are you as unattached to a position as I am?

You must put yourself into superposition, or allow yourself to rest in such a state. Sure of nothing really.

Dan would like me and others to be different than we are perhaps, but that’s not the game Dan.

All of it is here being the way it is.

I dont try to follow or support anyone’s narratives.

We are not objective observers of this all here now.

I love this scene and Dan likes this movie too below.

What it means to you is the meaning Wink



So Dan, I guess you have something to say, you are saying and doing what you feel to be. If we just all accept each other, we will recieve what we have for each other. I feel that the greater realization from these kind of interactions.

My mantra...

You are not more or less
Important than any thing else
That is happening
You are the happening

Life is a fairy tale, a political story, and a religious parable on the nature of identity. Getting lost let’s you always be here at the right time.

Chauncey in ‘Being There’ is asked his opinion on the economy.

“In a garden, growth has its season...as long as the roots are not severed, all will be well.”

Every choice puts at stake all that came before.

This is ‘No Country for Old Men’.

The coin is already heads or tails and won’t change, but what we choose makes it real.

If you just accept others’ rules, you are no more than cattle, and death is no different than a cattle gun to the skull.

I follow no rules now accept for the immutable laws that let me perceive moment to moment.

Our whole society is finished and I saw its end.

I keep wandering, in a post human wilderness, with no goals.

I arrived here the same way the coin did.

We are not bumping into and discovering the world as aliens, we create it, together.


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Post by 99 on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:49 am

I agree, the more the merrier. Smelly, you host: 

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Post by dan on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:54 am

Wait a minute, 99,

So what do you want me do?

Oh, ok, you are suggesting that hobbit and/or smelly host the next GtM meeting.  

That would fine with me....... so long as there is a designated thread/section where I may present the BPWH, without utter chaos.



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Post by 99 on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:01 pm

There's a potential for a great debate if you participated in that consortium too Dan!

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That could be arranged Dan. (wrt your request for your own section in that format but have to find out how to set that up in GtM.

Chaos would be prevented if Smelly was the mediator.


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Post by dan on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:04 pm

Thank you, 99, but I can only deal with one or two contrarians, at any given time.  

Wait another minute, 99......

I was laboring under the impression that the BPWH section was for the purpose of presenting the BPWH.

I am talking about the forum, and you are talking about the next GtM meeting.

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Post by 99 on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:09 pm

I think Smelly can be neutral in a mediation task like that. Or maybe Doug could mediate instead?



dan wrote:Wait another minute, 99......

I was laboring under the impression that the BPWH section was for the purpose of presenting the BPWH. 

Well, we could set up a separate GtM BPWH Consortium for you Dan.

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Right, I'm talking about having a GtM session but it's clear that Hobbit should have his own blog/thread to continue in his presentation of his POV on things.
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And right now, I am heading out.......
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Post by TheSloth on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:34 pm

All the Sloth can say is that when he has been attached to any specific outcome or mission different from what the flow brings here and now then some degree of peace and happiness appears to walk away from itself.

That said, 93.

If Dan's flow and will is to have things a certain way, then so be it.

Sloth thinks life itself is often the best possible teacher, so do what though will shall be the whole of the law.

There is nothing wrong with a little order in the chaos.

Anyway, I did want to say thanks for this blog and everyone participating.

The things talked about over the past week have brought a lot more peace to the Sloth.

Today the Sloth attended Church with his family and did much better being totally relaxed and at peace. He was not concerned today with how his children or wife might be getting brainwashed or endocrinated with Biblical literalism.

The Sloth is learning that peace and Tao flow and Zen and pointing at the moon is best done by example.

You can be a goat electron in a sheep of underlying atom latices and dance with the pull of magnetic love.

So thanks for all the help and support here.


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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:45 pm

Well I hereby pledge from this point on to be a much better student in this class even if I am a new arrival! After some deep thought and a of couple strange dreams it feels as though a weight has been lifted off my shoulder! Dan if I may ask a silly question, what role in your opinion do dreams play in the BPWH?

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Post by smelly on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:49 pm

Only you connect to peace or not.

Nothing can bring it to you or take it away, it must come from you.

I know what you mean Wink

I had a disturbing vision of Dan walking down a long line of cows whose heads were in the kill pen.

He was using a cattle gun to kill each one.

You can’t have the world as you like it Dan, or it all ends in the slaughterhouse.

I finally have some sense of this.

Grow up old man, time is running out to consider these things in this form Wink

Don’t forget to have fun.

We live in a world filed with idols, Dan sees beyond them.

But we are engaged in a Great War while we live.



“Opposition is true friendship.”

We mature to accept opposition as very important to learn to live with as a great friend, the greatest.

This realization has led me to reevaluate evil and my relationship to good and evil.

We can find a weeping thankfulness for life, humbled but joyful and learn to let all be themselves.

Would not God have to be a joyful being letting nature buzz all around?

Only the stupid can be bored and annoyed, they are death and will have no part of life.


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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:58 pm

Aw yes I think the pen is something we all fear, especially since we subject other creatures to it. However my dreams were quite a bit less disturbing. A bit more clarity and less confusion though some what ominous. I strive for peace in our time. That's why I'm here and how I got here, this place is "open" afterall!

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Post by smelly on Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:18 pm

Keeper, let peace in the world go maybe, realize your own peace and you will make the world peaceful.

Just my smelly opinion, man.
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:27 pm

I am getting much closer to that Smelly, thank you and if I can spread the peace I feel today then the world will follow shortly after.
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Post by TheSloth on Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:31 pm

Been listening to more Fleetwood Mac.

Was listening to the song "Landslide" today. Such a beautiful peaceful song.

May the child within our hearts rise above.

Keeper, maybe the best possible world is a dream itself?

We are on the Immaterial thread, no?

Maybe dreams are a reminder to us of what this life really is.
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Post by The Keeper Of The Laws on Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:44 pm

I hear you Sloth! Funnily enough "Dreams" might be my favorite song by them, I had to listen to it again after my first important dream early on the morning of the 11th and you've reminded me to do it again since my important dream early this morning, thank you for that!

I think you are on to something there too. Dreams have a way of revealing certain understandings.

Life is but a dream as they say.
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Post by TheSloth on Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:29 pm

Keeper,

I would also mention that maybe sometimes dreams are a way for us to receive signs or omens from our subconscious to direct us towards deeper understanding of who we are or who we are meant to be.

They might also give is clearer insight into things that happened to us in the past so that we might see more clearly how the past is important to us Now.

One thing I might remember to ask myself though is, "How can I be anything more or less than who I am in this very moment now?"

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