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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Persons within the substance of love.

Post by dan on Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:25 am

First topic message reminder :

(‘first topic message reminder.......’)

Once again, I attempt to bring the conversation back to Personalism......

Disclosure is simply going to underscore the infinite worth and potential of every sapient creature, ie, person.  Anything other than that is simply false.
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(Please keep in mind the links given in the fifth post on this thread......

http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t313-three-in-one )



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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:41 am

Special delivery for wk...

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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by whoknows on Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:45 am

LOL yeah thanks I could use some fertilizer. Your garden must grow very well.

Ack, yeah yeah... The mystery man walks over and says he's outa sight... Again
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:48 am

I provide a great deal of fertilizer wherever I go.

I have a fabulous garden.

I would see no point on Earth without all of this in it.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by whoknows on Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:51 am

smelly wrote:I would see no point on Earth without all of this in it.

Oh we agree though some of all of this can get very boring.

Anyone can cut and paste what someone else has said, few grow there own.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:14 pm

Curiouser and curiouser.

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

Grab your pacifiers and sweep up and toss out the ashes.

Who knows....
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:57 pm

I am bored with ignorance.

wk, I fooled you very easily with provocative confidence.

They always take the cheese, those who think they know.

Nothing I point to is ever boring Wink

If you don’t like my stylez, you ain’t got my taste.

Leave whatever shit you don’t like, leave all of it, because all my or anyone’s words could ever be is shit.

Ack, we all fake it.

There is no ‘I’ anywhere here, there is only this and we are are a part of IT.

Humanity can argue that ‘I’ exists until the sun blows up.

My experience is only this.

There is this.

I cannot say this is the only THIS!

No one ain’t ever made it yet and come back to tell the tale.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:29 pm

Who would have thought it possible?

My first synchronicity with wk and a non-answer for you Ack.

Just felt to seek 46 in the Tao Te Ching, haha.

The Cosmos laughs.

46

“When the world practices Tao,
horses fertilize the fields (goats too),
When the world ignores Tao,
horses are bred for war (and goats are smelly).

There is no greater calamity than
desire, no greater curse than greed.
Know that enough is enough,
and you'll always have enough.”

Enough is always enough when a part of this and you are always a part of This.

All I can share is my view from here/this.

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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by dan on Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:28 pm

They tell me we’re still on the same page......

But some are still wondering why I don’t take my own portal medicine.  

I don’t think I’m supposed to be jumping ship.  

All the Osho freaks are saying to save ourselves, the devil will take the hindmost.  

What’s the matter, anyway?  We all end up in the same place, don’t we?  

Yes, but...... remember, I’m the Asperger kid..... I just don’t like to leave all those loose ends.  

I’m a tidy sot.  I’m on the cleanup crew.  

And besides, do you really expect me to walk past the MoAPS and not take a shot at it?  All ye, all ye in free.  

Do you seriously not understand..... what you do (don’t do) unto the least of you.......?  I really don’t get that blind spot.  It’s like a sore thumb..... real sore.  

You really expect me to go take a powder.....?

There is a setup here.  Folks had to work overtime on this one.  Show just a little gratitude, please.

And besides, the Princess is not ready to ride off into the sunset..... not just yet.  She won’t tell me what’s the holdup.  

She is playing hard to get.  And, like I say...... we have all the time in the world.  

Can’t we please just win this last one for the gipper? This is a small favor.  You asked me for an action item.  Well, okay, here it is.  

smelly may scream and pound his feet. I don’t feel too sorry for him.


(cont.......)
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:11 pm

dan wrote:
I don’t think I’m supposed to be jumping ship.  
(cont.......)

There is no ship to jump off

We are here now

No where to go but here

The play is the play

I am Me always

You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave

We walk in awareness here and now doing not-doing

We let IT flow through US freely and naturally, just as we always have.

Sometimes natural looks very unnatural but how can it ever be anything but natural always

Gravity pulls until it pulls completely, then it a finite moment it pushes completely. It goes on expanding and collapsing always Now.

Rhythm and motion and vibration doing a dance of not-doing.

Something popping out of nothing spontaneously in perfect chaos and harmony.

Feel the breath, be the breath.

Do not try to mediate, you are the meditation.

Do not try to enter a portal, you are a portal.

Do not try to jump ship, you are the ship.

When you try you will always be resisted by you but your trying will always be effortless to Me.

Feel the Earth, be the earth.

I am Me, nothing more, nothing less.

You are Me, I am U.

Be with yourself



Then when that feels like over exposure, go be with others and forget yourself in service and giving to receive.

We are always alone, and we are never alone.

We are never dead, and never alive

What does all that mean?

Nothing

We are the meaning and we mean nothing

We are not special, It is special, but when everything is special, nothing is special.

Cool

The play is the play.

Participate not-particpating

Now let it all go. Drop all concepts.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by dan on Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:15 pm

smelly and Ackbar....... what a team!!
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Post by 99 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:59 pm

I went to a public beach today to meditate but the place was inundated by police. I walked up to what looked like a police detective and asked him what was going on but all he said was that the beach was closed for the day. I then looked at him and said Sharks? (the beach is on Lake Erie).... but got no chuckle on that one, not even a smile.I finally got it out of him that they were looking for a body and here I was momentarily interrupting a cop at a crime scene trying to get a laugh out of him. What a day... hope they found the body but for the life of me, sometimes wonder why anyone would want a job like that.... but somebody's gotta do it, ya know?
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:34 pm

99,

I like your version of our story...cops...beaches...a jokester...sharks.

Very cool.

Very creative.

We always find what we are looking for.

What happened when you got there was your meditation and your mirror.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Haha.

Dan, I am not yelling and stomping my feet.

I know we will all end up down the drain.

U can accomplish clean up with Awareness.

Though once you fully relax into Awareness, you don’t stop, you become self animating.

I’m Asbergers too Dan, of course.

How many Assburgers does it take to save Creation?

Two, one to figure it out and the other to tell them they are wrong Wink


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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by 99 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Didn't make it up Ack. But thanks for your feedback nonetheless.Smile
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Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:47 pm

We are always the topic of our world and since this is a thread about our best possible world, nothing can really be off topic.

Everything is a reflection.

Everything is me.

There is only this now.

I love jaws!

Lots of fun and interesting things under water, a symbol of our subconscious.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:51 pm

99 wrote:Didn't make it up Ack. But thanks for your feedback nonetheless.Smile

I know you actually experienced what you shared, but that doesn't mean U didn't make it up also.

Just as Alice experienced her meeting with the Caterpillar...

Just more stories of who we are.

We are only this now.
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Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:41 pm

The ground of being, absolute with no cause or name or form, cannot be grasped by us or it would not be This.

Words are all illusions.

Every word here, just hints of This.

Beyond Emptiness is final participation.

The arrogance and egoic audacity of any to claim or divide any thing.

We are this moving nowhere because we are everywhere.

It can only be described in illusions, which is the looking back part.

Words fail at the event horizon.

There is only this now.


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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by 99 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:45 pm

let me chew on that for awhile.
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Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:46 pm

Utsuro-bune is the I AM part of us that arises out of an empty vessel.

We are the vessel and when we empty our self, we are filled with I AM.

I AM cannot speak the language. I AM is the ground of being that arises out of the sea of subconscious and comes to visit sometimes but cannot stay so is sent back.

Utsuro-bune is synced.

She is here now, quiet and still.

99 brought her with her story.

Good job 99!
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Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:49 pm

Boring ramblings of a smelly goat.

I agree my words are shit compared to this.

Pretty good Ack.

Anything thought or spoken is captured by relativity.

Wow!

The Absolute must be put into words, but can’t be relative.

Wowee!

Wheeee Waaaaayyyyy

So it uses synchronicity to avoid thought and time maybe.

I just found more pages of the book to burn.

The ground from which it comes, is the ground to which it falls.

The beginning and ending are the same.

Fuck me.

...connection lost...

**601**


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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:13 pm

smelly wrote:Boring ramblings of a smelly goat.

I agree my words are shit compared to this.

Pretty good Ack.

Don't tempt Ack to come back now.

The flow is the flow.

Ack is a dumb muppet.

This has no name but Me.

My words...your words....

All words are our words and all words are equally me.

If we didn't have words that point crookedly, we wouldn't know what words looked and felt like that pointed more straight. In this way, all words work together to point straight.

When looking don't look. When doing don't do.

A smoke rises from the forest where the camp of the native lies in hiding.
If you clear away the storm clouds you will be able to see where the smoke points.
Make friends with the native when you meet her and she will share her treasures most graciously.
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Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:18 pm

I said it better Wink

Fake it till you make it goat boy.

Start from zero and say much less.

Emptiness is the end of all Mind has cultivated.
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Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:23 pm

smelly wrote:I said it better Wink

Fake it till you make it goat boy.

Start from zero and say much less.

Yes, U always say IT when starting from zero and saying much less.

U are always starting from zero and saying much less, even when you appear to be saying much more.

Faking it is what we are always doing, even when we fake not faking.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by Ackbar on Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:17 pm

dan wrote:
Can’t we please just win this last one for the gipper? This is a small favor.  You asked me for an action item.  Well, okay, here it is.  

smelly may scream and pound his feet.  I don’t feel too sorry for him.  


(cont.......)

Ya sure Dan, why not? We will win this last one for the gipper.

Smelly will be fine...he knows The Way.

Take it easy Dudes.
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Re: Persons within the substance of love.

Post by smelly on Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:37 pm

Even if this crazy prison is an illusion, the feelings and connections to each other are real.

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