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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

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Three in One

Post by dan on Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:26 am

First topic message reminder :

Here we have a slightly new departure, inspired by desert dweller.

Let’s see what happens.  Hopefully, we’ll come up with a better title.  

This is a slight detour from the Great Distraction in the Sky.  

Yes, I have claimed to be a monist, but it seems that you can’t be a monist and Personalist at the same time.  More technically, we’re talking three persons in one substance.  

There is to be a strong emphasis on history, as inspired by Joachim da Fiore, where Disclosure leads us into the age of the Spirit.  

Folks who don’t buy into this Metanarrative are welcome to argue against it, but they are not welcome to be continually advocating some alternative or for nothing.  

Personalism is the name of this Game.  

All other gamers are invited to state their games, but game elsewhere.  Thanks for the understanding.  

I hope that this will reduce the confusion in these parts.

And I do hope and trust to have the continued understanding of Cyrellys.  If an open mind is not to lead to nihilism, we must respect the personal nature of mind and of mind’s ‘objects’.  


9..........

There are several artifacts that need pointing out...... specific links will be given later.......

The mnemonic

The earlier blogs and websites.  

The abortive BPWiki..... it should be resurrected, in due course.

KWF and the Chronicles

There are various YouTube channels, which might be pointed to.

Etc.......


We must respect other persons, at all times.  

We must respect others’ opinion, as long as those opinions may be cogently argued, and that includes arguing that said opinions deserve the label of being a better BPWH.  And, by the way, that mnemonic is for best possible world hypothesis.  


SR,

Hang in there, please.  

Let me say, however, that there is no outside.  smelly is as near to the outside as you are liable to see in this world.  The outside is parasitic upon the inside, as you may see, pretty clearly in this case.  

What we so faciley refer to as the ‘objective’ is actually the intersubjective.  That is the sense in which I am a monist.  The Monad is the One substance in which all persons reside.  All persons are equal, but, historically, three persons stand out.  In the patriarchal nomenclature of the historian, Joachim da Fiore, we have the age of the father, the age of the son, and the age of the spirit, aka the Aquarian age.    


10:10.........

To inaugurate the Aquarian age, we have TSA, which was just to provide an excuse for the grey lady to clamber aboard.  Following that will be tsa2&3, in that order.  However, it would be more accurate to name it tla3.  This is where J&K come into the picture.  As I have previously mentioned, tla3 is a cover operation, unbeknownst to both j and k, (as was tsa1), but not entirely unbeknownst to the church.  This is what I hear from a sometimes unreliable source.  Seeing is believing, as we say in the disclosure world.  I’m not sure what tsa2 is supposed to be.  tsa2 and tla3 might be the same, for all I know.  Grant may be better informed on this matter.  


Tonight, there will be a three hour Rabbit Hole meeting, with host Grant Cameron, 8-11pm/EDT..... https://zoom.us/j/387693722 . I plan to be there.  


The roll out for tla3 was in Colorado.  I did not attend.  Neither did J or K.  I have received no further information about it.  OM is to be the site for the next phase.  Some links are to be offered, but they are not available, as yet.  The overriding issue is between the physical and the metaphysical aspects of the rattling cage and any associated phenomena, ie, to what degree is this a portal phenomenon?


11:50.........

Sign,

I see that you had a question for me, as to the source of the BPWH........

The source is just my own imagination.  I have never claimed otherwise.   I have never claimed to be a channel or contactee of any sort.  I have only claimed to be an ‘expert’, ie. a former drip under pressure.  

I pursue truth in the only way I know how, ie. logically.  

Science claims to have a hegemony on truth.  I dispute that claim.  

I even dispute their claim to a hegemony on empirical truth.  

The only claim that I might vouchsafe to science is their claim to analytic truth, which I see as an empty claim, since they have no analysand, if I have stated that properly.  


The analysand of personalism is persons, as the analysand of atomism is atoms.  

Persons are the only things in themselves, to paraphrase Kant. All else is derivative therefrom.  

Deists and pantheists, among others, disagree.  

Persons, unlike atoms, do not, cannot, just swerve in the void.  

Persons can hardly exist apart from other persons.  

We are social beings.  There is a hard to define milieu of persons.  The best existing theory of this milieu is provided by panentheism.  

Unless you are an atomist, the only other alternative is pantheism.  Pantheism has no explanatory power.  It can only accept what is.  

Panentheism provides a transcendental dimension.  It provides a vantage from which to critique the world.  It provides a vantage from which to postulate the BPWH.  That is what I have done.  No more.... no less.  


1........

However, if this is, indeed, the BPWH, then all critique is futile.  

A paradox.  

Yes, but it is a paradox we can live with.  It is a paradox that most of us agree to take upon ourselves..... and share.  

We find freedom in our imagination and poetry, and in imagining God’s Kingdom on Earth.  

Yes, many have tried to storm the gates of that heaven.  

But when we finally get to that Gate, we turn around and realize that our sojourn to that point was, at least, half the fun.  Enjoy.......

smelly has crossed that Jordan.  He curses me for not taking the plunge....... so does the Princess.  Don’t worry about me, I’m just admiring the view.  I have seen life from both sides, now.  

Fear not.  Disclosure is at hand.  It may not be quite what we expected, but it will suffice unto the day.  


You may not treasure your innocence.  Allow me to, vicariously.  This is our childhood’s end, children.... suffer the children to come unto me.  

smelly calls us muppets, derogatorily.  There is no derogation in God’s Kingdom.... not even for smelly.  

I have spoken of our very worst fear.  This is the chyu situation.  I told the Princess that our biggest problem was that we have no problems.  

She looked me in the eye.  I blinked.  

We cannot blink.  

Yes, some were chosen.  Even I was chosen.  Now, all are chosen.  If I have any message, that is my only one.  

Yes, we do circle back to tribalism.  That is from whence we came.

The very last tribalism, on this side, is to be witnessed on the hills of Judaea.  

Come down, out of the hills.  We goyim do not have cooties.  

Is there an or else?  Yes.  Ask Harvey.  

All that’s left is........ me, too......


(cont......)
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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:32 pm

Smelly is off grazing in the grass of Mind Dan.

He earned it.

Dan, I just don’t know why you fought smelly so much, neither of you was really TOO off as far as I don’t understand things.

You Could have supported him a lot more than you did.

You should fan flames of Awareness wherever you find them, valuable stuff.

You turned off to what he found, but  I guess you got from him what was for you.

He has said nothing in conflict with u really.

He found Awareness which is the base of Consciousness.

Not even Mind knows what IT is.

But Awareness is impersonal love I guess is one way to say it.

All experience and consciousness happens within it.

You were talking from different sides.

To connect to Awareness, be still and then be spontaneous.

I posted some readings from Psychology of the Observer that covers it better than you have IMH Atomic opinion.

If you don’t demonstrate how people can watch their minds and study it, what are you doing?

Do what you feel best, as we all hopefully let happen.
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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:40 pm

Pretty good Ack.

Good clarification for me.

I can’t argue anyone’s experience really.

But I can compare my experience.

The way we learn here is to share our experiences, not repeatedly postulate the same things in little mind.

What we say is self evident if one goes and looks.

I have to say, if you are faking Ack, u are brillant.

We are pretty foolish Ack and I.

He went through the portal and I made mine and did the same.

Interesting huh.

Sometimes you meet people who can reach right through u.


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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:41 pm

Had some good offline exchange with the Brando Goat today. I feel like sharing some goodies that came out of that.

"To offer anything else than direct experience is a lie of ego”

"Just respond in the moment clearly from intuition is the middle Way.
What else could u do and not muck it up because we don’t know."

I'm liking the rawness and clarity vibe this full moon is bringing with it now. I think I might try eating more raw fruits and veggies to go along with it. Smile

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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:47 pm

I also asked the Atomic Smelly Goat the other day if he ever seeks to bring enlightenment or awareness to others. His response, "never. Impossible". Interesting response coming from someone who posts so much here on OMF pointing others to the middle Way, don't you think?

There is a difference between seeking and singing.

That's what I am learning at least. I can only speak for myself from my own experience.

I guess we could ask him.

Smelly, do you sing or do you seek?

Do you think there is a difference?

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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:14 pm

Why is it impossible to seek to bring awareness to others once you have gained it yourself? Because the awareness itself removes the illusion of separation. Why would Smelly have no need to help bring others to awareness? Because he is already aware? Who else is there to bring awareness to? Who are you? Who am I? When One is aware, all are aware.

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:" - John 17:20-22

Yes, you are all already completely aware. You just might not see it clearly yet, but awareness also collapses the closed timelike curve into a timeless space. We experience time differently now. It's all happening right Now.

Boo!

Have you seen the movie Vanilla Sky? I can hear Sophia now whispering as she does in that movie to David. "Open your eyes". Smile The perfect world is now emerging from the best possible world. Can you smell the flowers?

Letting go of understanding helps Desert Dweller.

"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth." - John 9: 39-41

I know or understand nothing. Don't let me fool you. I'm a fool but also a trickster rascal at times.
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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:31 pm

Ack, we attracted each other to OMF, all here now.

We can’t take Jesus’ word for IT or Buddha or Science or anyone.

We each must settle things for ourselves.

It’s nice to see other parts waking up.

We water, plant seeds or shine, by touching others.

Zen makes one like Johnny Appleseed, no mission, but you are always ready in the moment to do the best thing.

In clarity, the best thing often happens, but from doubt or fear, separation will destroy your best life.

You can’t find the right thoughts to express this

You can’t work this out with a pencil.

You have to relax into it yourself.

How could I teach it?

There is nothing and no one to teach.

We are observers and witnesses and invited to participate through engaging our lives we have here now.

There are different levels, circular, of non-dual awareness.

There is a persistent state you can reach, a kind of resting state at perfect zero.

This becomes your default state and all else evaporates.


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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:39 pm

I say let go of understanding but I also speak of understanding how we are connected and understanding who we are, etc.

All these words and concepts I speak of come out of direct experience of the ever unfolding timeless space of the ever present and moving experience. It is one thing to know and another to experience. Experience does not require words or concepts. Those can be dropped.

Observation and stillness can reveal everything and nothing.

I sing now of that which cannot be found in words. That which truly can only be found in silence.

Silence can be an expression of love, perhaps the closest expression, but singing is yet another.

After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music. - Aldous Huxley

I sing now as I feel moved to sing, and I move in and out of silence as I do so.

Today I feel like singing, tomorrow...who knows. Silence comes and goes, but singing is fun too.

I think final participation will have both fun and silence both. They may just be yin and yangs of one another.

I don't know.
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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:43 pm

I sing it every chance I get, when will I come this way again?

It’s so simple I laugh.

Ha

The Cosmos gave me a bat and said swing away kid, you exist to swing and sing.


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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:44 pm

Yes, Atomic, we can't take Jesus' or Buddhas' word for it. We each must settle things for ourselves.

I like their words though. They are good reflections of the aroma that rises from the garden.

But we have to relax into our garden. We are in it already here and now. In this our best possible world.

I like the words you use..."relax into it baby". Smile
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Shrug, they are watching Ack, just don’t think about that up on the high wire.


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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:53 pm

I think no thinking. I don't know who 'they' are or what the 'high wire' is. I only know my own watching.

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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:06 pm

AtomicBrando wrote:I sing it every chance I get, when will I come this way again?

Don't you ever get tired of singing about yourself though? Even the Sun's reflection moves through cycles with the moon each month.

I find my singing moves in cycles similar to the moon's.

Sometimes I like eclipses too.

Some people ask me though if I ever get tired of going in circles. Circles of loving myself and then loving others in concealment or in silence. I say to them, "look up, isn't moving in circles what the universe is doing?".

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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:06 pm

If you find knowledge with compassion, you will regenerate.

The high wire is this strange life we are living naked.

You give others permission to be authentically human by being one yourself.

This is the practice of enlightenment.

Live and express it unbounded as you see fit who cares what anyone thinks.

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Post by Ackbar on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:09 pm

AtomicBrando wrote:
You give others permission to be authentically human by being one yourself.

Wow! Another little nugget of profoundness there.

Atomic Brando is on fire today! Keep it coming! I'm enjoying this.
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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:15 pm

Atomic Brando is very wise, I told u all that Wink

The hat...

Wisdom is not understanding or knowledge, it is the skill to choose the best thing.

Practice practice practice

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Post by Just wandering on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:29 pm

Hi J, glad you are watching.

Can anyone tell me please, where in history these "portals" have been used before, and by whom? I hear snippets of mention of them used in the past in video's and context with Dan/The Princess/Joe, but with no embellishment. Thank you.


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Post by dan on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:29 pm

There are still a few hairs to split.........

There is Transhumanism and transpersonalism.  

Christians are supposed to be transpersonalists.  Everyone else is a Transhumanist.  

I borrow the label of transpersonalism from the psychology that goes by that name.  

Transhumanism comes from Darwinism.

I’m not aware that this ontological distinction has been made previously.  

When folks come around to understanding the depravity of Transhumanism, everyone will become a transpersonalist.  

It’s that simple, sports fans.  

I’m not sure if anyone else has a clue.  Surprise me.  

Transpersonalists understand that human potential is infinite, transhumanists don’t get that.

smelly........?

He doesn’t care. He is one with God. He stormed the Gate. Devil take the hindmost.

Jesus........ the first shall be last.....


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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:38 pm

Smelly felt it his compassion to bash your theories Dan as missing the point.

I will not do that.

I respect where you are coming from.

There is a path needed until it all dissapears.

Such an impatient goat.

I can do Magick and Psychic tricks too for the doubters, but miracles aren’t needed anymore.

Not many words are needed either, maybe a few good ones.
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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:46 pm

You are right on with the transpersonal thing.

Any practice that fosters observing your mind and feelings is helpful to stay close to center.

From center, we teach ourselves everything.

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Post by Just wandering on Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:03 pm

Dan,

I think,

Transhumanism is a dark, dark path for sure. The wrong road, immediately.

Transpersonalism is the way to go, but it is not without it's blind turns. Transpersonalism does not mean the path is clear. It takes careful treading.

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jw,

And smelly is a case in point.

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Dan

And co pilots. But is actually giving some heads up, and down.

As a guess.


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Post by desertdweller on Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:22 pm

Dan,

So if I am understanding you correctly, both transhumanism and transpersonalism seek permanence and transcendence for the human consciousness, but in two different ways.

Transhumanism - being founded on materialism, where persons are accidental to history - assumes it must be found artificially, as the universe is essentially impersonal.  Nature will not help us in that regard.

Transpersonalism recognizes that persons form history, and are integral to it; therefore, personal transcendence can be found through realization, and the proper use of means.  No?

Ack,

I appreciate your sincerity and simplicity.  But do you acknowledge that some form of understanding must undergird the pursuit of pure experiences that you speak of?  

I agree that all true knowledge must be experiential knowledge.  I personally seek after it.  I desire, and even thirst for it.  I catch glimpses at times, then I struggle.

I’m thankful that I have the love of God assured to me, regardless of my experience at any particular moment.  It's an experience in itself, during the dark night.  It propels me forward.


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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:43 pm

dd, good enough Wink

I hope you have an awesome eye opening experience.

A hint, it is in the letting go of a desire for an experience when u have an experience of Self.

It’s found where u don’t expect.

It is the Lion stalking you until it shows you you are the Lion wearing a sheepskin.
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Post by AtomicBrando on Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:28 pm

Ack and I have begun some intense training together I guess.

I told him to go slow for the record and I’m not responsible.

I told him to relax into it.

We had some deep stuff go down today between us.

Didn’t expect that.

The full moon I guess.

Wait until he gets my bill.

He’s a Mormon, I assume he can pay.

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