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Post by dan on Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:51 am

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99,

I would give him a bit more credit than that.  

In the Endtimes, the news will become the entertainment, and the entertainment will become the news.  

God = +0.  We = God.  God = us....... in the End.

And, please, 99, don’t tell me about the SoT.  [You are welcome to put your annotations in brackets.]




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Post by dan on Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:24 am

Thank you, 99.  

Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

For instance, 99, Debbie is our sleeping dog, with one eye, wide open.  

Do you understand?  

At the same time, she’s our canary in the mine shaft, along with Kashmir.  It’s not easy.  It just looks that way.  It’s supposed to look easy.  


1.........

Trust me, sports fans, we don’t want the lady to drop the block buster.  

This is the last game we’re gonna play.  We’d better make it last.  

Which team was Hilary on?  Was she not on our team?  Was she on the scientology team?  And which side are they on?  She was ambushed.  They may have been control freaks.  I’m a jesus freak.  They didn’t get the memo.  

They’ve got it now.  Better late than never.  They may have had no clue.  Even their spies were incompetent.  

I’m guessing, though, that their best spies threw her under the bus.  Et tu, Brute?  

For instance, we’re not sure if Bill got the vegas memo..... H this is.  

Hand delivered with me in my tutu.   Et tutu, Brute?  

Doug is on the phone with the Princess.  I want to know how he is handling it.  

I’ve heard that Hilary was trying to be sneaky about this stuff.  It would have been very hard for her not to have been.  Donald may have just blustered into it.  He had much less to be sneaky about.  

I had a partial conversation with Doug about bill.  He assured me he would not talk to any other loose cannons, until he can get back to me later this afternoon.  

I’m a one trick pony.  I can only handle one loose cannon at a time..... well, besides myself, of course.  I try to be the MoALCs.  

Ron has his chicken little.  Chicken little has his painter.  KISS.  

ECM was in line for this spot, but she ran off with Jack, to the grove.

But maybe I should call her, anyway. A cat has 9 lives.




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Post by 99 on Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:00 am

Started up a new thread on yesterday's Goto-session.

http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t283-feb-15th-goto-session#11905
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Post by dan on Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:27 pm

People are going to have a hard time wrapping their heads around the notion of a good eschaton.

Hey, sports fans, it’s the centerpiece of the BPWH.
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Post by 99 on Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:49 pm

Just read the following page on your site:

http://www.bestpossibleworld.com/aAquarium/navigate.html#Navigating the eschaton

Yes, I would like to know more about this... the Best Possible Eschaton (BPE).

I'm reviewing back over your material on this topic today.
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Post by dan on Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:03 pm

Thank you for pointing this out to me, 99.  

This was a bit silly toward the end.  I must have been smoking something.  

I see no mention of the BPWH, and all that it entails.  I don’t even remember when I figured out the BPWH.  I would have guessed it was earlier than 1997.  But evidently not.

Sometimes, I’m dumber than I look.

The ‘new’ worlds that I refer to...... that would mainly be the Hive..... at least since I understood what was going on with the Princess.  

With the BPWH, everything about the world is just different shades of Eternity.  As Kashmir would say....... seriously, gogo, the world is not going to end.  True enough, but it might sure look that way, to the untrained eye.  


9:20..........

I don’t know.  What chance does word of mouth have now?  This is liable to be a full court press.  

The appointment has been held up for over a year, due to the opposition to this topic.  This is liable to open the floodgates.  And there will be no question about which way this vector is pointing.  None whatsoever.  

I’m just trying to keep my head above water, but my efforts are pretty pathetic.  There are only two people I feel comfortable discussing this with, who would be willing to talk to others...... m&d.  They are on standby.  Pretty pathetic.  

Will bill be able to able to pull this iron out of the fire?  I have no clue whether he will be willing to cooperate....... even if it were possible.  

Foot would have known this was coming several years ago.  He gives lip service to cooperation, and thanks for the heads up.  We’ve been kept in a state of semi-alert.  But isn’t it too little, and too late?  Sorry, folks.  What can a body do?  I had no clue.  Famous last words.  

I could put a foot, like before 9/16, but I’m not going to take that fall again.  Scape goat me once.........

Whatever happens....... don’t forget, it’s gonna be for the best.  Short of water boarding someone, I don’t feel negligent.  

It would likely be unconstitutional for foot to do any more than he already has, which is a lot, when you look at the 26 years....... probably more than the law allows.  Being in violation of the Constitution, is no way to come out of the chute.  

Yes, I’d better keep my mouth shut.  

Jack was told of the nomination a couple of days before I was.  I have no idea if he has any clue about the rest of the story.  He has never been too far away from the well issue, but he’s no friend of peter rabbit.  

I mentioned that we were likely kicked down the rabbit hole, back when.  How do we climb out?  Maybe we turn things inside out...... each of us being a fulcrum.  There is a chaining effect.  The individual portals are merely catalysts, on the global scale.  

That’s your Eschaton, 99.  


10:45..........

God help us if this becomes the issue by which Donald attempts to salvage his Presidency.  Let’s not go there.  
.........

Very likely, the megalithic sites were associated with portals.  I have mentioned before that those sites could have become our geodesic seed crystals.  Turn that process around, and you’re looking at the Eschaton.  No?  

I wasn’t aware that bill was a jason.  I should have suspected, but I’m not an investigator.  I’m a theoretician.  Note-bene, that being a personalist does not make me a people person. Just don’t confuse me with the purple people eater, please.  I might have read bill’s bio, but, no, I had more important things to do.  I just can’t remember what they were.  

me: Now, it’s all my fault.......?

Indeed it is, at least for the next 8 days.
We don’t say......?


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Well, 99, I guess it’s something like that.  

Will the prospective appointment have a bearing on Disclosure?  Not necessarily..... even though it was held up, for over a year, by this issue.  Just because the opposition folds, that doesn’t presage any official action.  

But there must have been some specific reason for the opposition.  There must have been the expectation that the appointment would send some unwanted signal.  

I counseled to keep a low profile with respect to the issue, until there can be some meeting of the minds....... see who is on what page, and to clarify the two sides.  

I find it hard to believe that the key people with the times would not have caught wind of the politics, and that may have triggered the nimitz story........ signaling they were ok with moving forward...... maybe....... or was it just to confuse the issue?  

However, nothing got into our arena. Could the TD initiative have been part of the opposition...... throw sand in our eyes? Anything other than the truth. That’s what I’m beginning to suspect.

Should I counsel that we push on into a window that may we’ll be slammed shut?

This affair suggests that specific details have penetrated pretty far into the political sphere...... but silence still reigns.

My concern is with the broader public, and with the educational system dominated by scientific materialism.

My concern is with maintaining a holistic approach to the issue. That may be simply infeasible..... politically and logistically.



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The BEST POSSIBLE ending ...

The third act features the resolution of the story and its subplots. The climax is the scene or sequence in which the main tensions of the story are brought to their most intense point and the dramatic question answered, leaving the protagonist and other characters with a new sense of who they really are. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-act_structure

So the possibility that presents itself to us is that thoughts are the absolutes that ground the meaning of the relative physical quantities of RQM. In other words, all physical quantities on the screen of perception may arise as relationships between thoughts. Moreover, since both thoughts and perceptions are mental in essence, this line of reasoning points to mind as the primary substrate of nature, the discernible states of which constitute information.

-- https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/thinking-outside-the-quantum-box/

http://ispcjournal.org/journals/2017-19/Kastrup_19.pdf


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Post by dan on Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:38 am

Yes, Gary,

The world is turned upside down, and inside out.  Our fundamental gestalt is inverted...... it is the mother of all paradigm shifts, MoAPS.  

We can start thinking outside the box, but then the outside becomes the inside.  

How many are aware of the specifics.......?

I would have guessed that 10k knew we had a problem.  But, now, I’m guessing that several thousand know a lot more than that, globally.  

There must be a great deal of resistance to going mainstream.  

The prospect of embarking into the presumed unknown must be discomfiting, regardless of how beneficial it may be.  

I have not totally been able to discount a sudden shift.  If there is too much resistance, the lid will simply blow.  Would this be the best possible outcome?  

It might be like jumping into a cold shower. The more you think about it, the more you resist..... the worse the anticipation.

The alleged politics surrounding the alleged appointment does not add to my sense of equanimity. But what else was going to happen?

Clearly the initiative here was not succeeding. The maximum viewership came in conjunction with the time’s article, and it dropped off rapidly. There is the remote possibility that there is an internal circulation that continues to expand.

Otherwise, we’d better seize the moment. No?

The possibility that the world situation could suddenly deteriorate is much greater than the alternative. If the timing seems sub-optimal, now, I’d hate to see what it might be in a couple of years.



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Post by painterdoug on Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:17 am

As Princess would say, rather than thinking outside the box, be outside the box.

Im focusing on my life callings and ignoring the world. but Dan and friends, Im on the ready

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Why? It's just the same old thing. High ranking officials coming out the woodwork and going public with their view that we are being visited.

This has been going on for many years now.

What's there not to believe? We already know that the phenomenon is real so what are they not telling us the truth about when they are saying that it's real too?

What would be their ulterior motive to confirm for us what we already know to be true? Why would they fabricate such a confirmation like that anyway? What would even be the purpose of doing that?

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Post by jofo on Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:30 am

there is nothing to disclose that already has'nt been

disclosure itself is an obstructionist attempt to conceal the truth from your-self

inside you already the truth resides, seeking it is a fools errand
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Post by dan on Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:32 am

Thanks, Doug,

Yes, it could be that alternate life styles are continuing to spread exponentially....... of people like Eric getting (partially) off the grid, and onto the Tea.  There is very little by way of corroboration, certainly not on this side.  The view from the other side might appear much more optimistic, but I’m not getting that impression.  


99 and jofo,

Yes, but.........

The truth is inside us......  I completely agree.  It has been inside us, from the start, but, evidently, it has been deeply buried in most of us, and certainly buried within the modern culture.  

And as to whether the political situation I allude to is precedented or not....... I claim not...... not if what is being alleged bears any resemblance to the truth.

No...... this is totally unprecedented.   It would prove, in one stoke, that everything that has been alleged in this thread is true.  Of course, Eric&co will only continue to say, so what...... and that’s precisely what they would say if Kim Jong dropped the bomb.  It makes no difference to the flavor of the Tea.  

I don’t buy it, sorry.  But we’ll see, won’t we?

The fickle finger of fate will have been pointed, with little or no ambiguity, as if a piece of the sky had fallen on chicken little’s head, imho.

It would be the worst nightmare of many who might think they know something...... deny it as they may. The denials will just have to be much more specific.


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Post by 99 on Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:58 am

[As Princess would say, rather than thinking outside the box, be outside the box. ]

Based on that last goto-session, there was no indication to me that this person thinks outside of the box. sorry. I was very disappointed in that too.
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99,

..... this person thinks........

I didn’t know that was the issue, but I can see that as a likely conclusion, 99.  

It was not my point, however.  

It’s more about the politics of the Eschaton.  We don’t have to speculate outside the box to draw the logical conclusion that matters eschatological have figured in this political debate.  

That’s my only point, 99.  

And, yes, that likely probability would be unprecedented.

Can the S-cat be put back in its bag? The debate could have only been about the timing of the step. It would be seen as tantamount to the final step. Am I the only one to realize? I doubt it.

Every tiny piece of metaphysical and political speculation, herein, is rather suddenly thrust into the public domain, by this one move.


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Post by painterdoug on Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:22 am

[As Princess would say, rather than thinking outside the box, be outside the box. ]

Based on that last goto-session, there was no indication to me that this person thinks outside of the box. sorry. I was very disappointed in that too.

99  thats fine , I don't disagree with you that the go to meeting was not any proof of that or anything.  its more of a thought construct so to speak .  I think the idea of thinking your "perfect as is" is a hard thing for the majority of people to believe .  most people are under the ego definition of themselves and thus how they evaluate things.   This forum by its very nature is not visited by the average person.

I feel that thinking, and truly "getting" the idea that you are perfect as is , is radical.  

and again, we need define what the box is?


// 99 yes Hitler, as all other people were once small babies who took a direction along the way for one reason or another. but they took a direction. this doesn't imply that it was of one societal value or another.

why didn't i become an alcoholic? it was all around me, and there are days i have headed towards it. but i chose another path. the paths and choices are right in front of us all, as you know.


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Post by 99 on Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:32 am

I'm a heterodox Christian, just like Dan is. And I don't know about Dan but I'm a part of the 23% of Americans who are unaffiliated with a church. I gather that most here are in that group too.

As for being 'perfect as is', yes, I suppose Hitler thought that way about himself too. lol


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Post by smelly on Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:36 am

I am a prince of the eternal flame and nothing else flesh.

Love under will is the Way in this Age.

My Father and Mother chose the hardest and best path for me and I love them for the fall.

We came here to redeem this, but we need no redeeming, we were content and perfect, innocent.

We came to Earth to learn when faced with an egoic choice or choice of other, we take part in evil, or we redeem the thought.

Facing all evil is perfect, to not partake in it redeems the world.

I had to face the worst in me and now I will face the worst on Earth, and I will choose Love.

I will choose Other, to my return to dust.

The woman, man and serpent fell together by choice.

The Creator willed us on this path, not ourselves.

There is a manual.

We have help.

Death should have no fear for you if you understand what is needed to be understood.

The Way is not to choose the syrupy evil of this world.

The creator knew we would be closer to IT if we had to face good and evil.

And so we each are now doing just that.

You choose for you or you love the other.

Angels and Daimons are innocents, we know better though.

They have no conflict as we always will.

What is living in you can never die.

Life is eternal.

The dust around life will go back to dust.

And our souls later will be resurrected into timeless bodies, maybe a future personal simulation.

I don’t call my awareness personal or not, it’s all intimately personal, and it’s not.



A Psalm of Life

BY HENRY WADSWORTH LONGFELLOW

What The Heart Of The Young Man Said To The Psalmist.

Tell me not, in mournful numbers,
  Life is but an empty dream!
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
  And things are not what they seem.

Life is real! Life is earnest!
  And the grave is not its goal;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
  Was not spoken of the soul.

Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
  Is our destined end or way;
But to act, that each to-morrow
  Find us farther than to-day.

Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
  And our hearts, though stout and brave,
Still, like muffled drums, are beating
  Funeral marches to the grave.

In the world’s broad field of battle,
  In the bivouac of Life,
Be not like dumb, driven cattle!
  Be a hero in the strife!

Trust no Future, howe’er pleasant!
  Let the dead Past bury its dead!
Act,— act in the living Present!
  Heart within, and God o’erhead!

Lives of great men all remind us
  We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
  Footprints on the sands of time;

Footprints, that perhaps another,
  Sailing o’er life’s solemn main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
  Seeing, shall take heart again.

Let us, then, be up and doing,
  With a heart for any fate;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
  Learn to labor and to wait.



My life is worth living
And I am worthy to live it
What we live alive
Lives forever
What is dust
Is taken by Death
The eternal flame
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99,

From whence came the thought that this was about anyone’s ‘perfection’?

I don’t even know what that might mean, or care.  

What is being thrust into the public domain is the simple fact that our mission has been accomplished.  We now head back home, posthaste.  

We may now celebrate our retirement.  The gold watch is optional.  

Is that all there is, Alfie?  

That’s all...... for our individual sojourns out of Eden.  

We now get to see how every tiny piece of Creation fits perfectly back into the Source.  If that is what you meant by perfection, 99, then, yes, you will have perfection, up the yin-yang.  


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Post by 99 on Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:58 am

[99,

From whence came the thought that this was about anyone’s ‘perfection’? ]

You got the wrong person on this one Dan. Doug was the one who brought that up.
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99 im not attempting to convince you or anyone of this. and i surely do not have any great wisdom or answers.

but that concept speaks to me, rather than its opposite.

that you are imperfect, thus throw in the towel, your thoughts about yourself are flawed and so don't attempt to choose well. don't have self respect.

if more kids believed they were ok as they are, be it looking like this or acting like that, perhaps they would choose to make better choices for themselves and society in general by not comparing themselves to who they have been shown to be ideal

ok just my thoughts, carry on
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Post by 99 on Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:05 am

I agree with on that Doug. I heard what you had to say about that in that chat the other day.

But as for us being born 'perfect as is', personally, I think we all have things about ourselves that we need to work on outside of personal acceptance for those things that we cannot change. But having the wisdom to change the things that we can change for the better is what it's all about. That's part of our life's journey. You may not agree with that but that's my take on it.

"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference."


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Post by smelly on Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:09 am

We all have wisdom
Any moment
Listen to others
Choose others
Don’t defend yourself
Don’t defend your heterodoxy
Believe life is magic and you are doing it
Nothing else matters right now other than you see others as yourself
Not enemies
Not idiots
Not right or wrong
Search your hearts
Fools and Sages All
Root out the weeds of bitterness
Root out jealousy
Root out fear
Root out doubts of your power

Choose Life
Life never ends
It thought you worthy enough to live

Do you?
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99   THAT WAS PERFECT!  

yes I agree, we may be misunderstanding the term.  

when born we are as a clean sponge.  that sponge can soak up pristine water or sit in the sewer drain

its from this point i endorse the idea.

we need place ourselves and our intentions in clean places

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99/ thats fine and no argument. but are you taking about acting perfect, being perfect ? well if your not, what would that be?

who or what is the perfect person your comparing yourself too in order for you to make that determination ?

ill let you answer and leave be. thanks for the debate / d



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Post by 99 on Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:12 am

I don't know if we're born perfect. I never much thought about it. It doesn't even seem important to me. All I know is that I'm far from perfect... nobody is. That's my opinion on the matter.

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Post by smelly on Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:15 am

Until you meet your soul, you haven’t.

It is alive, life can’t be stained.

You come to know it’s radiance as yourself.

But your ego is plenty filthy.

Knowing the difference is seeing clearly or not.

You have nothing without clarity but opinions and arguments.

The dark will eat up that person every time.

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