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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:51 am

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99,

I would give him a bit more credit than that.  

In the Endtimes, the news will become the entertainment, and the entertainment will become the news.  

God = +0.  We = God.  God = us....... in the End.

And, please, 99, don’t tell me about the SoT.  [You are welcome to put your annotations in brackets.]




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Post by Nizar on Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:38 pm

smelly wrote:ELE isn't funny?

That's hilarious!

The whole thing just struck me funny.

What the hell happened to Dean Radin, he has gone full quantum mystic. Heat is getting turned up I guess.

I have been wondering why all the ARE - Cayce Society, and Noetics guys like Radin have seemed to have lost their minds since the failure of their 2012 prime eschatological level antibiotic event. Perhaps the answer is here?

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Post by smelly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:35 pm

Answers have never been that easy to find here Wink

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Post by smelly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:26 pm

“Magical realism is defined as what happens when a highly detailed, realistic setting is invaded by something too strange to believe.”

Is that what’s happening?

Maybe only internally?

It is now confirmed external.

Whatever the UFOs are messing with us, it’s magical realism.

That’s my territory.

The territory of the imagination and the shaman.

I’m not saying I’m good at this.

I am an accidental tourist.

This will be worth reading and it’s very relevant from one of the best occult writers alive.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/558407/dark-star-rising-by-gary-lachman/9780143132066/

Apocalypse...magical realism.
Assasination...magical realism.
Drugs...magical realism.
Entertainment...magical realism.
Crime...magical realism.
Occult...magical realism.
Religion...magical realism.
Thelema...magical realism.
War...magical realism.
Politics...magical realism.

Who says?

The mob?

What is real or the best narrative?

Maybe we are all making our lives up as we go or we are playing the tape fed to us in our DNA and by gravity.

Astronaut’s telomeres or growing longer in space after extreme amounts of time. That could mean away from earth, we get more real?

Just some questions with no answers, told you.


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Post by dan on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:33 pm

Nizar,  

I’m not sure why you would think I would know something about Cacey or Radin.  I don’t.  Sorry.


smelly,

Over the years, I’ve probably read a book or two of Gary’s.

I hope he’s familiar with Grant’s recent book.


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Post by smelly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:52 pm

You trade in the same secrets as the Noetic institute. It’s logical to think you could be in contact. It’s a den of spies if ever there was one Wink Last I checked, you like to play with reported spooks, which one can never really trust on this side of death.

Dan, you really can’t trust anyone but your Self really.

No offense to the spooks, but you trade in lies because you are good at it.

But you can’t lie to me Wink

You can only lie to yourselves.

Let us end the age of lies.
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Post by dan on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:03 pm

I’m aware of IONS, but I’m not aware of communicating with any of their people.  

But, yes, smelly, I am in regular communication with Ron.  He is generally on the outs with other members of the aviary.  I’m sure that Edgar Mitchell would be among his loons.  So am I.  It must be an honor.

I pass on information from Ron, labeled as such.  

I’m not aware that he has lied to me.  Are you?

Science gives us a very distorted picture of the world. Ron holds my hand while I combat those distortions.

I’m sorry that you have a problem with that.


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Post by smelly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:18 pm

No, I make no accusations.

Never.

I have no enemies.

For I know the secret of life...we are all liars and enemies of Self truthfully Wink

So who am I to judge other magicians who know life is a sham. Magic is next to godliness apparently. They keep things running, the magicians.

See this card...the goat jumps. The archer looses distracted arrows.

I am no longer distracted.

Amazing the focus that can bring.

I draw my bow back sure now.

I breathe and move in between.

I aim and let the arrow go and if I have no frustration or desire, the arrow hits home every time.

I have tried to be a good goat.

You needed a gentle horn now.

Haha.

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Post by dan on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:23 pm

We aim to please, smelly.

You aim, too, please.

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Post by smelly on Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:34 pm

Haha, good one.

You are a sharp one Dan Smith.

I am very dull, so now we know.

We don’t know what real is with these shades on I begin to suspect.

Another secret, all wooden boys and girls will always wish they were real.

As a knight of Wands, we have extreme swings. What drives those who have anger is anxiety really.

Goats always fear we aren’t enough. We doubt ourselves. But we are all enough. Perhaps my confessions will help others to follow. Free of the need of and reality of control, the anxiety can ebb and then anger ebbs.

The road is only as hard as we want it to be.

Sometimes I sabotaged my life just because.

That’s because I didn’t accept things as a reflection of IT.

I thought I was the Master, but I am nobody.
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Post by dan on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:44 am

Who’s in charge, smelly?  That’s a rhetorical question.  

We all want to be able to talk to whomever is in charge..... just in case.  

I say that to Ron, and he tells me to talk to myself.  So here I am, talking to you, smelly.  

You are my diary.  I am your diary.  It’s a tough job, but somebody’s got to do it.  

And, being a wannabe christian, I talk to Jesus.  I’m not sure he’s in charge, but a lot of folks think so.  It kind of goes by default.  He was asking for it.  

As a for instance, someone with a movie studio, and with connections to aerospace contacted Aliyah, and she refers her to me. This would be another kind of marketing....... not exactly word of mouth..... supplemental. She mentions the Gurdjieff 4th Way School. I’ll refer her to you Smelly...... sounds like your kinda stuff.


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Post by Nunia.binus on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:51 am

Dan, do you think Joe F would be willing to participate in your 100 monkey/operation pixie dust ponzi scheme?

He's been mentioned here by you before, but seems to stay out of the public's view. He just released another video on his youtube channel that has some BPWH themes. Its outdated (referencing 2012 in the future), but talks about an immanent discovery/revelation of some secret powers possessed by all people that will revelutionize our existence. Marks 2010, 2012,2020, and 2100. Guess he thinks we're gearing up for some development in 2020...

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Post by smelly on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:58 am

It’s enough for me to be a wannabe Human Being.

We asked him to be in charge.

Perhaps he knew we needed him until we didn’t.

Christianity was cooped so badly early on, reason enough to give it distance.

But if you were to walk up to Jesus and ask what to do.

He wouldn’t answer you.

He would point at you in silence.

You don’t need Jesus.

You are not lame.

Now get up and walk.

Jesus always saw the Truth here and things organized around that.

He taught a secret way to find the Supernal Mind within.

Love.

Jesus always saw and said it like it was.

We are the ones who have misunderstood him.

He would be found in no church, no non-profit, a member of no cause.

He would walk the earth anonymously.

He would love the world.

I know the steps he walked as my own.

For first he had to fall in love with Life.

So who am I to speak for Jesus, who is anyone?

He left it all on the field.

There isn’t anything else for him to say.

He told us to do better.

My view of the J man, respect.
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Post by dan on Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:06 am

Nunia,

I first met Joe back in the ‘90’s.  He’s always been part of the team, near as I can make out.  Kevin has been staying at his place out by the Lake.  The Mormons seem to have a special interest in current events.  He’s an expert on the interface between the physical and the metaphysical....... where persons are indirectly involved.  He and Kevin are together on that page.  

Anybody who deals with fringe physics is dealing with metaphysics.  It’s about the experimenter/placebo effect.  It becomes interpersonal.  Portal phenomena emerge.  


smelly,

99% of our metamorphosis happens spontaneously and unobserved.  Yes, it comes from within.  

Nonetheless, we sapients are a verbal species.  We talk, even if only to ourselves.  We can say very little without juggling concepts.  

The concept of the BPW is a bit novel, to most language.  However, do notice that our friend, smelly, is not showing any difficulty.  He takes to it like the duck to water.  Don’t you, smelly?  Now, you end up having to explain the BPW to me.  


I did speak with Julie. She seems to know most of this stuff already.

Just because this is the BPW, it hardly means that we rest on our laurels. It may just mean that we can better rationalize what we do, and hopefully do better at what we rationalize.

Maybe we’re rational animals, but, just as likely, we’re rationalizing animals. We justify our unconscious to our conscious.



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Post by smelly on Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:12 pm

"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read or write, but those who cannot unlearn the many lies that they have been conditioned to believe, and seek out the hidden knowledge that they have been conditioned to reject."

—Gavin Nascimento - The Lion's Roar

Some magical realism...

I was a grey man in a white sash sitting before a large deep metal smoking bowl on a black as night marble pedestal.

All my thoughts, hopes, fears and desires were burning in the bowl.

I saw a shimmering geometric portal beyond the smoke ahead of me and around me was black as space and indeed, I was floating in space looking into the portal from the non-planet side.

Something is coming...ME.

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Post by smelly on Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:37 pm

We can imagine.

Don’t forget Owen’s lessons.

BPW is more believable than anything else, because we are here experiencing this.

The whole person experiences it from within time and from outside of time.

Dan, are you familiar with the limitation of English compared to Hebrew in regards to expressing time?

In Hebrew time works differently.

The power of language in Jewish Kabbalah and magic: how to do (and undo) things with words.

So words are part of the formula.

“In Jewish mystical tradition, any name and its designated object are directly linked, so that the name reflects the nature of its object. Each and every entity possesses a linguistic equivalent – a name – and God is no exception. In some of the medieval Ashkenazic mystical works, as well as in some types of later Kabbalah, the highest form of knowledge concerns the divine realms, with the names of angels and the divine being the most important.”

Divine realms?

What are those?

They present a problem.

A goal or distraction or surreal imagination?

We have created worlds beyond death for life or Mind has.

We experience those states of mind inside if we train our psyches using the ego shade program.

Our instinct adapts us to the conditions for life now with the light available.

There’s a lot of light here now.

It’s all where we stand.

Every one of us, except the zombies, universe portals.

None of us original other than our mixes of energy and dirt.

Poor zombies.

I imagine everything is conserved.
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Post by dan on Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:10 pm

Have we been told lies.........?  

Sure, we’re told the best possible lies at the best possible time.  

I’m speculating that lies trace their origin back to the best possible Katechon.  

Once we understand the Katechon, we understand the source of lies.  Only then can we put lies behind us.

Much easier said than done, as always.


Yes, each word is a portal. Plato realized this, but he didn’t understand the Heracletian flux or the Monadic interconnectedness of all words.


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Post by Nizar on Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:07 pm

smelly wrote:You trade in the same secrets as the Noetic institute. It’s logical to think you could be in contact. It’s a den of spies if ever there was one Wink Last I checked, you like to play with reported spooks, which one can never really trust on this side of death.

Dan, you really can’t trust anyone but your Self really.

No offense to the spooks, but you trade in lies because you are good at it.

But you can’t lie to me Wink

You can only lie to yourselves.

Let us end the age of lies.

Thanks Smelly, appreciate your posts and insights as always.



Dan,

I did not mean to imply that you are either affiliated with the Noetics Society nor ARE but after spending a long time with both... as Eric said filled up with intelligence types who are interested in phenomenology and happen to run popular UFO groups. You all happen to share some similar views on consciousness.

In a previous post of mine you were endorsing a cosmos-genesis by Cy that featured a peculiar group of characters across a few other 'lodges' and is being propagated by the current 'disinherited' Ra-Cayce reincarnated. The common threads of myth between Hermetic-Gnostics,j Pythorgans, beyond the Blue Lodge craft, Thelemites, and Lovecraft seems like a topic that Joseph Campbell may have missed.

I do appreciate your responses, thoughtfulness, and don't mean to derail your thread. Just wanted to clarify in case you were hesitant to answer a future question from myself.


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Nunia,

I trade in the BPW. It could be that the BPW is a lie. Ron did not originate it. He has never even endorsed it. However, he has helped to sustain it....... almost the same thing?

The BPWH is the only coherent alternative to incoherence. If the world is incoherent, then it would be impossible to distinguish between the false and the true. There could be no truth.


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Post by smelly on Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:28 pm

I suppose this points to the foundation of the BPW.

The Book of Wisdom Or Folly

Tre Sun and Daimonic spoke through Crowley if you are paying attention.

http://www.rahoorkhuit.net/library/libers/pdf/lib_0111.pdf

Pay attention.

If you use your powers of perception, you will not need Ron to confirm anything for you about the coherency of being.

You will know IT.
You will feel IT.
You will be filled up by IT.

You will know the peace you have is beyond you, within you. As you rest there, you will realize all.

You will see how connected everything is to you and how cared for we are.

You will marvel at your breathe.

This is not emotional nonsense, this is Truth.

It is self evident as it must be.

It is before and within our words.

True will isn’t questioned, it is acted upon.



Some thoughts on the BPW from Rudolf Steiner. He experienced the real inner spiritual world and he was committed to keep that grounded in everyday experience, to avoid becoming a raving lunatic.

Hey, I’ve been a raving lunatic here on OMF. You should try it. Dan might throw you out though. He wanted me gone so bad.

His system develops the higher powers of perception.

Higher consciousness should empower and enrich your life, but dissolution is a step. You should never lose touch with the sense world.

The world will become illuminated by consciousness flowing through you and you will see and experience new surreal things, while on the ground is the secret.

Human beings are the spirit’s extension into the physical. Our task is to bring higher spiritual realities into contact with the physical world. The Sage within guides us through the heart. If you ground yourself in something other than the heart as spiritual foundation, you can experience realties not connected to the physical.



Aaron seems to be having synchronicities with me and the Princess. If we were closer there would be many more. It’s kind of something that happens. People get zapped when you meet them and then weird forms emerge from the interaction, with magickly surreal elements.

If someone could manipulate synchronicity, they could take over anyone. It’s too hard not to accept what synchronicity underlines.

I begin to get a bigger sense of the implications of taking the responsibility of illuminating the darkness around us and it is awesome. We must fill our lamps after Truth is revealed.

Our gaze can no longer be cast behind us. The guardian of the threshold pulls the curtain back on the deep mysteries. The guardian arises in a whirlwind and extinguishes all other guiding lights you had and then you are the Light when your fear has left you.

Personal egoistic salvation is the myth.

Drop it.

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Post by smelly on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:54 pm

Dan, did you say John Wheeler was a prof of yours?

He borrowed Barfield’s idea of participation and ran with it.

He coined ‘black hole’, wow.

He described a Participatory Anthropic Principle.

Wheeler says the universe is the way it is because of consciousness.

So he accepted himself as participating in the creation of the world and no one can really argue that.

We are not just watching a mechanic machine.

He had a basic metaphysics, as far as a scientist could go I guess publicly.

Somehow collapsing the wave function, brings the past into being.

I cribbed some of this “Caretakers of the Cosmos.” Synchronistically I turned right to the section on final participation we were talking about. Haha. Signs everywhere.

We are bringing about something in the distant past now. Dan had kinda talked about this. Wheeler was self professed concerned with the phenomenal character of experience. The macro more than the quantum.

Barfield cared about the something this is not ourselves. The unrepresented. The stars are one aspect we represent the unrepresented with. Wow.

So to take these guys together, if consciousness is evolving, we perceive now outside us what we have evolved up to this point to perceive. Our future representations are thus based on our future consciousness. Barfield sees consciousness falling then evolving back in a U. Consciousness was one with nature, it experienced Nature Barfield felt. We separated from nature and are now at the bottom of our fall into materialism or the U pattern, on the edge of extermination or extinction.

Feeling Sartre’s nausea at this point.

We still participate with the other, but below consciousness. We used to feel the other more. Animals always say yes to reality. Kids feel it. We don’t feel it anymore and thus the fracturing of belief. We are now slowly making our way up the U Barfield thought. Barfield felt we are evolving to consciousness become aware of the other and fully participate with each other. Wow. I have to agree based on my experience.

At the top is the consciousness.

God?

Reflection?

He says we have a responsibility as caretaker of the Cosmos, the east says it’s a dream. I think we have evolved from dream to final participation. Dreaming comes first. Then the dream overlays consciousness. We have the responsibility of our imaginations. He isn’t saying we create reality, we evolve with it.

Steiner said the future physical earth was dependent on our current thoughts. Just as our world was born from previous thought. Earth is dying in prep for the next step. We are then maybe essential to earth and nature as participants. In becoming responsible for evolution now, we are responsible for the Cosmos. The future can no longer be thought free from man’s volition.

Our minds are the seat of representation. These ideas may seem extreme, but of course! When we are optimistic and filled with purpose and living creatively, the cosmos can speak freely to us through synchronicity more often.

We do not reflect a reality there always without us, we provide that reality, taken from goethe’s Theory of Knowledge. Reality gives us empty forms. The bare facts, physics. Our minds then complete the thought. We use our imagination to complete reality.

When the mind is open and heart alive, the doors of perception are flung open with such incredible force as to erase all doubt in you.

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I know who is in charge. Wink

Just look at my avatar.

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We are Wink

“Once for each thing. Just once; no more. And we too, just once. And never again. But to have been this once, completely, even if only once: to have been at one with the earth, seems beyond undoing.”

— Rilke - Duino Elegies

“The time remains destitute not only because God is dead, but because mortals are hardly aware and capable even of their own mortality.” — M Heidegger

We only get glimpses of a beauty. More from Rilke...

"... nothing but the beginning of terror which we are barely able to endure and we are so awed because it serenely disdains to annihilate us."

Some scrying tonight to be sure. These are clearly more clues to the UFOs and participation. More synchronicities briging the daimonic into contact with us.

“For Rilke, the symbol of the angel (Jinn, Not Christian Version, Daimon) represents a perfection that is "beyond human contradictions and limitations" in a "higher level of reality in the invisible." Where there is incongruity that adds to mankind's despair and anxiety is due to human nature keeping us clinging to the visible and the familiar. As mankind encounters the invisible and unknown higher levels represented by these angels, the experience of the invisible will be "terrifying" (in German, schrecklich).

As mankind comes in contact with this terrifying beauty represented by these angels, Rilke is concerned with the experience of existential angst in trying to come to terms with the coexistence of the spiritual and earthly. He portrays human beings as alone in a universe where God is abstract and possibly non-existent, "where memory and patterns of intuition raise the sensitive consciousness to a realization of solitude."


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[“For Rilke, the symbol of the angel (Jinn, Not Christian Version, Daimon)..] smelly

It appears that statement/interpretation is not correct. The angels in that poem are not the Jinn.

Source: Wiki Duino Elegies

With regards to the angels in that poem,"Rilke commented that he was greatly influenced by the depiction of angels found in Islam."

'Angels in Islam' wiki
"In Islam, angels (Arabic: ملاك malaak, plural: ملايكة malaa'ikah) are agents of God. They were created by God to serve and worship Him, and perform certain tasks they were given. The angels in Heaven are subordinates in a hierarchy headed by one of the archangels in the highest heavens.[1] Belief in angels is one of the six Articles of Faith in Islam."

That page also clearly makes a distinction between Angels in Islam and the Jinn. They are not the same.
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Anyway, having said this, just because the author of that poem said his angels in it were influenced by the angels in Islam, maybe he was also influenced by the Jinn of Islam in his depiction of them too but, for whatever reason, he would not disclose that to the public when asked about them.

Of course, anyone can interpret the angels in that poem however they choose but, at least in an academic analysis of it, one would be required to also point out the author's own interpretation of what they are too.



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Well, well....... kiss my *ss, smelly.  You just keep getting smarter.  

But, seriously, sports fans/(space cadets), I got an urgent call from the Princess, last evening.  I was sitting with Debbie, at the end of a long row, against the wall.  Fortunately, my phone and watch had been silenced, but I can’t actually text from the watch..... other than BRB, etc.......

Oh, yes...... it was a student play at Towson University..... How I learned to drive.  It was one of those things that are so bad, they’re good.  It got a standing ovation.  It was about an uncle molesting his niece.  The uncle was a white student, while the niece was black.  So the excitement was about the racial subtext of the performance.  

The niece did an excellent job.  

Back to the phone call........

Basically, Kashmir has been awarded a multi-billion$ slush fund to protect her cheetahs from the depredations of Donald and his ‘Space cadets’.  It will look good in her piggy bank.

Hey, I’m just speculating, but you get the idea.  

Kashmir, Princess and I are going to the local Virginia, Air Force recruiting station to be the first to volunteer.  


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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by 99 on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:32 am

How cute! Hope you all have fun! Take some pics ok?

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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