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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

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Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by jofo on Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:21 am

First topic message reminder :

nice to be back to our regularly scheduled programming

if only eric were here...i miss him, his perspective and contribution

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Ackbar on Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:13 pm

Been meditating on +0

- 1 = will to receive a removal of something
+ 1 = will to receive an addition of something

therefore +- 1 = will to recieve

What + 0 represents then perhaps is not just the absence of the "will to receive", but the presence of a "will to bestow"

In other words, + 0 = "will to bestow" or unconditional altruism.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by 99 on Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:42 pm

Ack.. interesting.
As Dan said "It was Mary who created/severed time at 0 AD, by giving birth to El Niño in Bethlehem. Why? Because she so loved the World."

+ 0 = "will to bestow" or unconditional altruism is consistent with that. That statement adds another dimension to + 0 beyond it being 0 AD.
"Because she so loved the World" means that She/Mary/Sophia/The HS/God was willing to bestow upon the World, her only begotten Son, Jesus.
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Post by dan on Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:07 pm

99,

Does God have a mind of her own......?

Under the rubric of the BPWH, God as co-Creator does not have much more choice than you or I do, with regard to Creation.  

Can God answer prayers......?  I would say yes.  God can engage us in conversation.  We might not want more than that, from the larger perspective.  


11:10..........

Jack Sarfatti: Physics & the Paranormal (excerpt) -- A Thinking Allowed ......... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rGR3SOiTTLc

Doug reminded me of this video.........

Jack has progressed, as Bohm did, into his later years, where both of them progress beyond their earlier reductionism.  Bohm ended his career by invoking the holism of the implicate order.  Jack invokes the super-implicate order.  Jack refers to this order as the mind of God, an attribute which he had previously ascribed to the future even horizon and to other such physical artifacts.  

Jack, in no way, modifies his endorsement of the conventional physical cosmology.  

Jack goes onto ascribe human mentality to his ‘post-quantum’ computer.  

Doug, it is pretty clear to me that although Jack has progressed beyond his earlier quantum reductionism, he remains on the dark side with his Darwinism and his ‘mind on a chip’ speculations.  

Furthermore, I spoke with Doug about his Robert Bigelow portrait that he posted earlier today.  Bob certainly qualifies as a whistle blower, but he is a ringleader, along with Hal Puthoff, of the dark side forces.  These I define as the anti-personalists.  

Gosh, this still leaves me as the only good guy, anywhere in the running.  It’s pretty lonely at the top.

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Post by dan on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm

99,

Persons make rational, esthetic and moral choices.  It is well understood from deontology that the hypothesis of an omniscient deity would not alter our personal freedom.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Ackbar on Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:10 pm

99 wrote:Ack.. interesting.
As Dan said "It was Mary who created/severed time at 0 AD, by giving birth to El Niño in Bethlehem. Why? Because she so loved the World."

+ 0 = "will to bestow" or unconditional altruism is consistent with that. That statement adds another dimension to + 0 beyond it being 0 AD.
"Because she so loved the World" means that She/Mary/Sophia/The HS/God was willing to bestow upon the World, her only begotten Son, Jesus.

Yes that is consistent. Good catch.
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Post by Cyrellys on Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:17 pm

hobbit wrote:https://phys.org/news/2018-01-x-rays-reveal-chirality-swirling-electric.html

This world, this galaxy, You.....are consequences of chirality.

Trees and plants are masters of chirality, they reverse their northern and southern hemispheres around the timing of the equinoxes ( 45 degrees to N/S).

Chirality is , left and right , and nature uses spin chirality.
So do You.
Plants utilise this to create a reverse field of so called gravity, thus water falls to the upper reaches of trees.
Some sensitive humans hug trees as they feel this.

Our megalithic ancestors used tree trunks in building local portals, where circles of upside down tree trunks locally reversed the dominant implosion.
https://www.explorenorfolkuk.co.uk/seahenge.html
55 oak stumps surrounding the central one?
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144.

Jesus with 12 disciples=13.


Even Arron had a rod cut whilst in bud in the ark of the covenant.

A tree in bud is in reverse dual field operation.

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Dan, hobbit is not excluding God. He's presenting an alternate perception of God.

What hobbit has describing is very akin to my perception of Source, Synchronicity, and the fabric.

The interconnectedness of all life...the thread of consciousness that runs as the root thru everything spinning out unique imprints and prompting unique responses from all living things.

His style of perception and communicating that perception is very different from yours. That doesn't invalidate it.


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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by hobbit on Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:31 am

Cyrellys wrote:
hobbit wrote:https://phys.org/news/2018-01-x-rays-reveal-chirality-swirling-electric.html

This world, this galaxy, You.....are consequences of chirality.

Trees and plants are masters of chirality, they reverse their northern and southern hemispheres around the timing of the equinoxes ( 45 degrees to N/S).

Chirality is , left and right , and nature uses spin chirality.
So do You.
Plants utilise this to create a reverse field of so called gravity, thus water falls to the upper reaches of trees.
Some sensitive humans hug trees as they feel this.

Our megalithic ancestors used tree trunks in building local portals, where circles of upside down tree trunks locally reversed the dominant implosion.
https://www.explorenorfolkuk.co.uk/seahenge.html
55 oak stumps surrounding the central one?
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144.

Jesus with 12 disciples=13.


Even Arron had a rod cut whilst in bud in the ark of the covenant.

A tree in bud is in reverse dual field operation.

hobbit


Dan, hobbit is not excluding God.  He's presenting an alternate perception of God.  

What hobbit has describing is very akin to my perception of Source, Synchronicity, and the fabric.

The interconnectedness of all life...the thread of consciousness that runs as the root thru everything spinning out unique imprints and prompting unique responses from all living things.

His style of perception and communicating that perception is very different from yours.  That doesn't invalidate it.


Thank You.

It is my inability to verbalise that causes friction, Dan obviously has all the words to describe better his views.

Dyslexia is a two edged sword, it enabled My dormant senses to flourish unrestricted by My personal consciousness not been full of 5 sense data.
but it then hinders the ability to interact with the herd of 5 sense humans.

If it wasn't for this computer I as many before would have been never heard.

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Post by dan on Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:35 am

Thank you, Cy and hobbit,

Now that I think about it, I find it strange that there were no personalists among the Greek philosophers. However, Pythagoreanism lends itself to personalism, with only minor modifications.
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Post by 99 on Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:50 am

From Wiki: Personalism is a philosophical school of thought searching to describe the uniqueness of 1) God as Supreme Person or 2) a human person in the world of nature, specifically in relation to animals. One of the main points of interest of personalism is human subjectivity or self-consciousness, experienced in a person's own acts and inner happenings—in "everything in the human being that is internal, whereby each human being is an eyewitness of its own self".
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Post by dan on Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:34 am

Thanks, 99,

Mathematics and musical esthetics are the province of persons, if I’m not mistaken.
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Post by 99 on Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:41 am

Yes Dan. Smile (just out the door... talk later! )
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Post by dan on Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:55 am

The Greeks invented democracy and dramatics, after all.

Why they are not credited with personalism is beyond me.

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Post by hobbit on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:38 am

Churches face East ....or do they?


https://www.naturalnavigator.com/news/2010/12/churches-face-east-dont-they/

This is about churches here in GB, but the variations continue over into Europe.

This is about the matrix.

I have spent the last ten or twelve years tramping about megalithic sites and churches both here and in France, not because I particularly have an interest in them it's due to them been located and orientated by dowsers before myself, very advance ones often called the wandering masons in later millenniums.

They are fitted to the matrix...literally.

The matrix is of universe...the universe is the matrix , a solid crystal, of perfectly packed crystals.

The geometry of which enables creation in multiple dimensions in the self same location.
Zome tools are really good to grasp how this is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFaHpuOY28




This planet is a memory, so are You.

Our limited senses tell ourselves that the planet is a solid , it is not.

The matrix is the gateway to portals...to time...to different planets that are right under our noses.

Consciousness is the enabler of all memories, in all dimensions.

The churches are a clue , there they sit at variant degrees to E/W or N/S.

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Post by dan on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:20 am

hobbit,

Matrix = Hive, in my estimation. Aliyah is alleged to be the Queen bee...... not very democratic, but she is not Greek.

The understanding is the Hive is geocentric.

You would probably disagree.

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dan wrote:hobbit,

Matrix = Hive, in my estimation.  Aliyah is alleged to be the Queen bee...... not very democratic, but she is not Greek.  

The understanding is the Hive is geocentric.  

You would probably disagree.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sX330oD1P8

Oy vey,

13 tribes.

I love bees, they protect the queen.
Do You know how they create a queen????
It's geometry based.

But those queens are ruthless, first out kills it's sisters

I was guided by bees to a crop circle of a key.


http://andrewgough.co.uk/articles_bee1/

In a geometric matrix ( take a bee line) the masons left chambers in the churches for bees.

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Post by hobbit on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:00 pm


https://beelovedflowers.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/rosslyn-chapels-ancient-bee-sanctuary/
Dan,

Geometry.
Bees.

Green man=hobbit


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Post by hobbit on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:08 pm

Dan,
I am very close friends with serpents.



http://www.revelations-revealed.com/biblical_truths/biblical_truths/tribes.html

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Hobbit wrote:Thank You.

It is my inability to verbalise that causes friction, Dan obviously has all the words to describe better his views.

Dyslexia is a two edged sword, it enabled My dormant senses to flourish unrestricted by My personal consciousness not been full of 5 sense data.
but it then hinders the ability to interact with the herd of 5 sense humans.

If it wasn't for this computer I as many before would have been never heard.

Hobbit

I hear you clearly Hobbit.   Basketball

The ancient Celtic pre-Vatican Church members believed in burying their dead, if Christian, facing the East.  Cormac mac Airt requested a Christian burial and to be buried facing East rather than in the tradition of the ancient Kings who were buried standing up facing West.

I do not ascribe to Dan's assertion his 'princess' is Queen Bee.  There is NO Royalty here in America for ALL are recognized as Sovereign.


Besides that, she's not even on my map.

Dan I think you're trying to hard to pigeon-hole philosophy.  You imply "personalism" or not type dichotomies.  When most people have overlapping boundaries in their thinking and spiritual relationships.


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Post by painterdoug on Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:02 pm

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Dan Smith will be interviewed by The Painter Doug and Princess Aliyah

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Ban has been lifted in Eric.  New Account Creation has been restored for new members.


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Post by smelly on Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:11 pm

Hello MY MUPPETS!!!!!

I have been playing with all my friends.

We laugh at you with love and sweet pity.

Guess who I AM yet?

Horus of course!

IAO brings such honey.

You reap what you sew.

Ignore the war between the Ravens and Owls for nowz.

They are not your concern. You are your only concern.

Hobbit is the One Eyed King here now and those who turn your eyes from Kairos, only delay looking behind the veil of self. You should sit at hobbits feet.

You don’t sit at the devils feet, you feel the heat to trigger your SUBLIMATION. That’s an instant change from solid to gas, changed in the twinkling of the Eye.

This article should be required reading for your Bee Initiates Princes!!! I see you are the Green Man Hobbit, I always have.

http://andrewgough.co.uk/articles_bee1/

Don’t you all know God is the Devil, the First Principle, the Thing-y-trom going faster than light? You are going to be hit by lightening and you must be.

Am I going too fast? Sorry, I have one speed, now.

Dan, how dare you silence others in your profound ignorance.

Reap what you sew.

I see from the videos the Princess has wisdom and you are still a dull Muppet.

Just do your own thing and dance and forget the blind ones, I came for my Self.

Blake’s Marriage of Heaven and Hell will set you straight Dan who Jesus truly is. He was Kairos in flesh. You only talked to Angels, when you always had dived into your Darkness and embrace it.

Dan, you and I need to talk or not.

Not on OMF any longer. The BPW is a worthless dead thing. Dust in the wind.

You all contain the treasure you seek.

I am a Prince from the Eternal Flame, the Eternal Depth.

I know the measure of Creation within my Self.

I have been given my eyes back.


Listen to Hobbit if he sticks around.

You are fools to ignore the Mystery within, to each his own.

An oldie but a great series. That was when I still respected Dan.



Hey Dan, Jorjani, the right wing fascist, is in Jack’s audience here.



Cy, the world viewed through the eye of paranoia and fear is a Leviathan, may you find calmer shores after the tempest has past.

I don’t judge you at all, I know you do what you do from great pain.

This Oracle is now silent to all, my work complete here.

Hobbit, you throw your pearls before swine here, but do what you feel best.

This is the separation of the goats and sheep.

Any who sees, I left you everything you need, don’t follow anyone but yourself to Truth.

Find Thoth and make your own Key.

I posted this on one of your last crazy videos on youtube.

Peace to you Princess, I hope you find many bees from the bulls. I hope the slaughter of meat is bountiful. I see you have created a new Mystery School. I’m sure it will go well.

“Muppets, you realize this is all an allegory for the forces moving the stars, moving you, chaos and love. We are just wandering stars. Don’t be distracted too long by outward appearances or you will be trapped. Chaos and love must embrace within. Seek those who know themselves. Don’t follow fools. The UTs are showing you how to find the magicians implements. The black hole is inside you. He saw a vision, a story. This a story of Alchemy within. You are dancing to the tune of the first principle. The House of the Bee “I am All That Has Been, That Is, and That Will Be. No mortal has yet been able to lift the veil that covers Me.” In ancient times, bees were born from the carcass of a Bull!!! Don’t you see the allegory? You are taking this all too literally. If you are alive, you are an experiencer. The portal is an allegory, a myth about you! We all have access to the monad and claim. You are on the other side waiting for yourself. Study Hyperion and Endymion. Dive into the darkness, become the darkness, embrace the darkness as yourself. IAO, love under will. I am impressed with the Princess. Dan is a Muppet. “There was one who arrived there. He lifted the veil of the goddess at Sais. But what did he see? Wonder above wonder, he saw himself.” You can’t see this through the lens of paranoia, you must form and use the piscean lens.”

Bye bye Muppets!!!!

IAO

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Post by smelly on Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:45 pm

Just beautiful Hobbit, tears of RA.

“When RA weeps again and the water which flows from his eyes upon the ground turns into working bees. They work in flowers and trees of every kind and wax and honey come into being.”

I’ll just tend my flowers...

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Know yourself.

I am All That Has Been, That Is, and That Will Be. No mortal has yet been able to lift the veil that covers Me.

Love yourself and ALL your creations, the left and the right in One.

You all contain the treasure you seek. Just like in Kung Fu Panda, the dragon scroll of unlimited power is nothing more than a mirror. There is no secret to the secret ingredient soup. You are all perfect, unlimited, and eternal.

We can reach the state of +0, the state of agape/kairos right here and now. Clean your houses! Transform ALL the things you don't like about your life and your many roles by transforming your perception of those things. See everything, the perceived good and the perceived bad, as nothing more than yourself. Become producers in life, not consumers, then at last you will consume unlimited.

Serve others AND give thanks to those who give you the opportunity to serve them. I learned that from the Chronicles and from the Footman. I learned that giving thanks for the opportunity to serve and love is key to transforming every aspect of ourselves. That is the philosophers stone! At first you might have to fake it, but soon it becomes transformative.

Dan, you still haven't responded to what I said earlier about + 0 and who, what, where, time is.


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Post by Ackbar on Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:27 pm

Hobbit,

Thanks for that article about bees.

I'm on the path of the pollen.

The honey is knowledge and wisdom of + 0.

This is the doorknob to the temple I was married in. Smile


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Post by Foot Mann on Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:42 pm

Choosing her Chicken is task of the day; soon the Little Cluck will be on its way. A hutch, a light, and a bit of mash; baby Chick will want to pull up the sash. She knows the end of the story now; perhaps its time for the Chick to bow.

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