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Post by jofo on Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:21 am

First topic message reminder :

nice to be back to our regularly scheduled programming

if only eric were here...i miss him, his perspective and contribution
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Post by painterdoug on Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:52 am

smelly

woody allen once said , " I'm always running a low grade depression"

well I'm always running a low grade disturbance

I'm fine thanks for your asking.
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:07 am

As you like.
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:39 am

HOW TO GARDEN

Division is as valid as Union.

Love is union.

Life is division until it’s not.

You can’t ever get away from it. That’s found by experience. These states are just an oscillation of a wave, the only wave here now, the singularity. I have a little faith in Bohm’s Pilot Wave Theory in physics, it’s making a comeback due to experimental observations. I’m no expert, I only have a rudimentary knowledge of the details.

In my experience it’s beyond all concept, beyond the Babel, but Mind works on chaos and here we are. My typical dialogues the last few months have been going like this below with everyone I meet.

Some thread connects you to someone and you feel to say to someone...

‘You are enough as you are and you can teach yourself who you are. No Gods needed, but use anything to find it.’

You may also tell them...

‘You are a Human Being. Be a Human Being. That’s enough. That’s enough to learn in a Human lifetime.’

Or you might not say anything and just give them a big hug, the biggest hug they ever had, there may be some rib cracking.

They will not forget they met a Gardner no matter what happens and I plant a seed.

Now at this point, if they are paying attention and listening, they relax and cease babbling. I have seen several people wake up that very moment. They just see it, right there. It’s like watching a flower bloom. They immediately say, I see, thank you and they are vanquished. Then they come back for all you have for them. You patch them up, wet your finger, clean off their face and I look them square in the face and I slap them...hard!!!

‘Look at me Fool, you ok. You seeing and hearing me now?!’

They beg, ‘Wait, what do I do now?’

‘Just act natural and go with the flow. On the wave, sometimes you will be up and sometimes down, love it all and when you do, you will thrive.’

They nod and somehow you know they are going to be just fine and have a fun time. They will go seek who they are naturally and we all get to see them come alive.

But...the other reaction is condemnation and/or polite ignorance.

They shake their head and insist...

‘No, I could never be enough. The world is in a dire state. How dare you say you are enough! Fool! I must find my answers out there.’

We are the ones in a state, the world is fine.

You politely nod, and say, of course, and you walk away slowly the way you came smiling as you go.


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Post by dan on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:10 pm

smelly is like the mad hatter........ he tries to murder time, and almost succeeds.  He wishes to murder Chronos, to usher in the Kairos.  

Ok, that’s an admirable ambition/agenda item.  That happens to be my mission, too, smelly.  It’s just that I’m much better at it than you are....... learn from the Master, smelly.......

First, smelly, you have to learn patience. You also have to focus. This murder would be no mean feat. You, smelly, are just a weekend warrior...... a day tripper, when this is something much more serious than you could ever imagine.



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Post by @awestruckt on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:13 pm

Dan, in all of these threads I have yet to see the BPWH address what C. S. Lewis calls "the problem of pain". What is the origin and purpose of pain? A theory of everything will be incomplete and certainly unsatisfying if it doesn't address something that is so fundamental to the human experience.

Religions tend to invoke since as the original cause, and then speak of growth for its purpose. But while possibly true, they seem to ring hollow and unsatisfying while in the midst of pain. Materialism implies that pain is an unfortunate consequence of statistics, and is to be avoided at all costs as it is an impediment to the pursuit of pleasure, which is the highest good in an accidental universe.

How to make sense of the presence of pain in the Best Possible World?
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:17 pm

Dan, I have no ambition at all.

I have no mission.

I’m mad, but I’m glad I met you, so you can teach me.

I’m not doing anything.

I just garden and tend flowers that float by.

It’s effortless.

Oh, serious stuff you say.

No urgency here Wink

I have gone deep into it.

It is enough as is all of this.

Yes Dan, you must be right, I’m smiling and slowly backing away.

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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:26 pm

Nun, we completely covered ‘the problem of pain’, division.

The solution to this is Love.

Perhaps you seek better answers?

You all do see it don’t you, almost no one here will budge.

Love is swirling all around you.

Dissolving you into others.

Intoxicating.

You are all intoxicating.

Shrug.


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Post by dan on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:35 pm

Yes, smelly, why don’t you go out a smell your flowers.  We adults have something serious to discuss.  We don’t want to trouble your  young/virgin ears.  


Nunia,

The problem of pain, and the maximizing of pleasure.........

I think it was the economist, Jeremy Bentham, who surmised that the only reasonable agenda for us was to maximize individual/social utility..... it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.  


Yes, smelly give his usual non-answer, evincing a bored superiority, all the while.

In short, Nunia, pain is the seasoning of life. We all like a little salt with our soup. Yes, and then remember those tricks from the school cafeteria....... unscrew the top on the salt shaker. What fun? Yes, God does that, too. Sadist or practical joker? Sometimes empathy can bring our our very best impulses. Sometimes..... we fail to rise to the occasion. Woe be unto us, Nunia.


(cont.......)


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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:38 pm

I’m happy to be an innocent child.

We need them to balance out the world with fools like you.

That must be my mission and purpose if any.

Arrrrrgggggghhhhhh, cried the Smelly Goat.

So much shit here to eat.

The best shit on Earth is on OMF.

Yummy stuff and it grows beautiful flowers.

The fragrance is intoxicating.


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Post by @awestruckt on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:40 pm

Smelly,

I live with chronic physical pain, and I don't see that as being addressed by simply invoking the "illusion of division"...
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:42 pm

Nun, shrug.

I have a number of health problems and terrible physical suffering.

Tickles.

Our perceptions are the issue, not our state of physicality.

They are irrelvant.

Slowly backing away smiling.

No argument here.

You can argue with Love as long as you like.

We have eternity.


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Post by Ackbar on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:42 pm

Dan and The Princess,

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

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Beloved Mother remember this,

When the unborn Sun prepares for descent through the mitzrayim of Saturn, he turns away from her flipping his crown of polarity downward against her. After turning away from her, a portal is opened and the Sun emerges with the Spark of Saturn inside.

The crocus in the desert is blooming and all things which have been prepared from the beginning are about to unfold.

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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:52 pm

Haha.

Hehe.

This was all worth it to meet another mad hatter for me.

Please continue Dan...
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Post by dan on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:58 pm

Nunia,

Well, had it not been for that extra dose of pain, you might well not be here.  Is it worth it?  


Ackbar........ whatever.......


And so much for Jeremy.  


May we get back to business, please.......?  Murdering time..... pretty much the opposite of kairos, but maybe not so much.  

You have to murder Chronos, to make straight the way for the coming of the Kairos.  

We are all in bed with Chronos.  We may not be in love with her, but we do have a roof over our heads.  She puts food on the table.  

Kairos is the beauty across the street.  Our hearts wander.  


5:20.........

Well, smelly, I don’t lay awake at night worrying that your spirit will not bloweth where it listeth.  


So, yes, we are gathered together to perform a ritual murder.  This will be the ritual to end all rituals, and all we have to do is act naturally.  Sometimes that can be a bit difficult.  There is no method.  

But we cannot sacrifice Chronos, without proper respect.  We cannot just toss her in the grave.  Sufficient holy water must be employed.  The incense burners must be swung with utmost solemnity....... understand, smelly?

Do I abrogate this task unto myself?  Yes, when it comes to the ultimate ceremony, I do not stand on ceremony.  I just go ahead and perform it.  The Princess holds my hand.  If it works, it works.  If not..... not.  

If you’re gonna worry about authority, and all that stuff....... you might want to look the other way.  

And, boy, we sure are dragging this one out.  We have all the time in the world for you to voice your objections........ speak now......


7.........

At this point, the ritual involves two trips..... one in this country, and one not. They include the usual suspects. The time frame is three months. If there is success, there will not be much point in returning.


(cont.......)


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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:02 pm

Dan, it all depends on how each person sees things.

If no one is inflicting suffering, which is impossible, then this is life.

Enjoy it.

It’s amazing fun.

We cause our own suffering.

Nothing else is to blame and it’s our view only that needs clearing up.


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Post by jofo on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:02 pm

its all happening now, stop and take pause, before you miss it
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Post by Ackbar on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:11 pm

jofo wrote:its all happening now, stop and take pause, before you miss it

Blessed is he who listens to the voice of the Father within
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:11 pm

Are we having a dialogue Dan or are you dictating?

You can do anything you like.

Kronos - The time of reality. The time of quantity.

Kairos - Cosmic timing, when the Gods determine when something happens, when things happen when they happen, over which no one has any control over. Spiritual time. The time of quality. The designated time ordered by the Cosmos, when opportunity comes knocking.

What time is it?

Simple, the time is always now.

“In a Chronos-dominated world, living in Kairos becomes all but impossible (Tru Dat), when you’re constantly trying to beat the clock to wake up on time, get to work on time, leave the office by a certain hour, time your workouts etc. etc. etc.

Kairos has a tendency to sneak up on us in two ways, usually in the form of unexpected, pleasant surprises or it’s opposite, when we suddenly hear of some unfortunate news. Kairos has that ability to yank you back into a deeper reality and shake you of of your day-to-day lethargy and remind you of living in the Eternal Now. I think the longer you stay in touch with Kairos, the easier it becomes to accept grace and the travails of day-to-day life.

Things happen when they happen, positive and negative, accept it all as a welcome visitor. Put your intentions out there and let go of them and let the Universe do it’s thing. It’s probably impossible for people who are results-driven but forcing outcomes  hardly ever comes out the way you want.  Instead, it opens you up to possibilities and gifts showing up when no expectations were involved.“

The mystery of Kairos, things will happen when they happen.

So what’s our intention?

Always be ready to be surprised.

Kairos makes my case for spontaneous action with no expectations.

Good enough for you Nun?

Dan has zero sense of humor, we would have a lot more fun here if he wasn’t so nasty. He’s funny enough I guess for govt work.

That is a clue to Dan’s heart.

Show us your heart Dan, not just what’s in time in your head.

You, nor anything, will rush Kairos, you can only read the signs.

How are your tracking skillz these dayz?

You don’t listen to your trackers Dan provided to you.

You argue incessantly and babel with them.

Dan, you shouldn’t worry about anyone or anything at all.

That’s a happy life.
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Post by @awestruckt on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:33 pm

Point well taken Dan--had the pain never shown up on my doorstep I very likely would have never looked around enough to notice that the world is not what it seems at 1st glance...
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:37 pm

Wink

I love it here now.

It’s so much fun to watch it unfold.

Exciting even.

All towers will fall.

I’m already standing in the rubble.

The resistance is precious and so sweet on my lipz.

Timber.......

The One one-eyed fool is the king among blind people.



Kairos, on the other hand, was a young man, lithe and handsome. Statues of him could be found all across the Greek peninsula, but the most famous stood in now-ruined Sikyon. It had the following epigram carved into it:

Kairos statue.

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“Who and whence was the sculptor?
From Sikyon.
And his name?
Lysippos.
And who are you?
Time who subdues all things.
Why do you stand on tip-toe?
I am ever running.
And why do you have a pair of wings on your feet?
I fly with the wind.
And why do you hold a razor in your right hand?
As a sign to men that I am sharper than any sharp edge.
And why does your hair hang over your face?
For him who meets me to take me by the forelock.
And why, in Heaven’s name, is the back of your head bald?
Because none whom I have once raced by on my winged feet will now, though he wishes it sore, take hold of me from behind.
Why did the artist fashion you?
For your sake, stranger, and he set me up in the porch as a lesson.”
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Post by Ackbar on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:58 pm

A fisherman went and cast his net into the sea. For many days he worked tirelessly, hoping to catch a certain fish. He went on for many days in this manner and began to tire. The moment came and he filled his net, but because he was weary he lost his strength and the fish swam away to shore, leaving the fisherman behind to row in circles.

A Samaritan came and found the fish on the shore. Taking the fish home, the Samaritan divided the fish among his household and all who hungered were filled and all that was written was fulfilled.

Behold I say unto you, the day is at hand that those who are blind shall see and those who see shall be made blind.
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:01 pm

We got a prophet herez Wink
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Post by Ackbar on Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:07 pm

smelly wrote:We got a prophet herez Wink

All who have eyes to see and ears to hear are prophets

Very Happy
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Post by smelly on Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:12 pm

we walk on the wind
we are razor sharp
you can only face us
or taste the cutting wind
we bring healing wisdom

We are the messengers of Kairos...

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Post by Ackbar on Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:18 pm

smelly wrote:we walk on the wind
we are razor sharp
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or taste the cutting wind
we bring healing wisdom

We are the messengers of Kairos...

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