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Who's Disclosure is Disclosure?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:16 am by Cyrellys

The narrative war is in full swing. When there's a 100 different competing narratives, how is it possible to discern a disclosure?

Is it akin to which truth is Truth?




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    Post by dan Sat May 13, 2017 9:17 am

    Portals abound........

    Everything is a portal for everything else, and we are that for ourselves.  Everything is a microcosm of everything else.  

    The quantum is physics' own portal.  

    So, especially, is every work of art..... even every artifact, every bit of nature.  

    But...... but what.......?

    Well, we do need to move the world, we do need to turn ourselves on a dime.  There does need to be a MoAPS from materialism to immaterialism.  

    And this MoAPS will require all of us to participate..... personally.  

    There needs be a personal fulcrum..... it's not rocket science.  

    And, guess what, sports fans, it so happens........ well, no, nothing has happened, not yet.  But I've been vouchsafed a glimpse of a possibility...... how it might all work out for the better, if not the best.  Yes, I'd be a candidate for the theoretician.  Is that so bad?  I've already said most everything I have to say.  The major points have been covered.  A bird in hand is worth a peacock in the bush.  

    Why don't we just open the floodgates, and have a land rush?  Do we have to play peekaboo?  Well, if there is any rushing, it's likely to be in the reverse direction.  We first need to activate and tune our imaginations to the historical reality.  There will also be plenty of room for conceptualization.  


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    Of course, there will always be spontaneous portals, but, especially at first, there will be a plethora of franchise operations.  Many organizations would have their proprietary access. For access to the wishing well, there will be groups like the make-a-wish foundation.  Longer term, it would become more like renting sunlight, however.  At that point, the return trip would be more limited.



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    Post by Guest Sat May 13, 2017 9:39 am

    Doing the previous things you mentioned.

    Seeing the connections.

    Then moving.

    Imagine a world who turned themselves into non-material types.

    Leads to your last point naturally.

    All I have ever said.

    You seemed to be making a little sense and I had to respond Wink
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    Post by Guest Sat May 13, 2017 9:44 am

    Making and consuming that art transforms.

    Art is now the primary thing in my life.

    Not work or any of this enlightenment crap Wink

    Art was my key.

    I made no art until I woke up.

    Art resonates with the Universe.

    Art is the ultimate fragrance of a centered heart.

    Anything created in and from the heart is art.

    That alone is the greatest gift in all this.

    I feel and Joy feels, this art is the key.

    Living artfully, in balance, is the Way.

    I can say I found my Zen.

    Imagine a world filled with types like me.

    Well, a sign you are awakened is you make art spontaneously.

    The more you do it. The more you become like this.

    Art connects us somehow directly to our source.

    Mind is used, but it doesn't drive.

    No thoughts really in the zone.

    That no thought zone, you have to find it and make art from there.

    Then after you reboot and your ego is shattered, the world takes a new step.

    This is how it happens and some signs to look for.

    If you aren't a babbling spring yet, you have not found it.

    Shrug.

    When you see and know, there is no disagreement or argument possible beyond this lowest common human denominator.
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    I would put my awareness up against any silly alien.

    That alien is just a projection from inside us.

    We of course are the strangers in a strange land.
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    Post by dan Sun May 14, 2017 9:53 am

    I want to be clear that there is no such thing as a physically objective portal...... that being said by an immaterialist/non-physicalist.  OTOH, there is no aspect of 'reality' (mind/matter) that is not...... portalific(?).  

    Portalific.......?  Actual or potential portal, or an aspect of such.  

    I was going to say that portals are involved with time and space, but it might be more accurate to say that portals are what produces time and space.  

    In particular, (subjective) events are portalific.  Of course, there is no such thing as an objective event.  

    Rituals and life changing events, in particular, are portalific.  

    There is always at least one person involved with every portal incident, and, usually more than one, especially if we include entities amongst the persons involved.  

    What about with just animals.......?  Do cats, for instance, experience their own portals?  Yes, but that would include the Cat totem on the other side.  I would include animist totems amongst persons, in as much as we can communicate with and through such totems.

    All this being said, all portals are not equal, of course.  But all portals are equal in the sense that they all end up, back in the same place....... the Monad/Source/Telos.  

    The most important portals are the Alpha and Omega portals...... Creation being 'suspended' between them.  Creation is our bridge over the Abyss.  

    One cannot be an immaterialist without being a personalist.  It so happens that, historically, one of the traditions stands out as being particularly so, and said person is the one most closely identified with the Alpha/Omega...... just so happens..... historically.  

    And what now, brown cow.......? Is this the Omega?

    I trust not. This is 'just' the beginning of the Millennium. But how can the Millennium begin without the Tribulation? Well, you'll just have to pay attention. You'll have to follow the bouncing ball......




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    Post by dan Mon May 15, 2017 1:24 pm

    The May 12 issue of The Guardian Weekly, which I picked up at the Madrid airport, reprinted Meghan O'Gieblyn's article...... https://nplusonemag.com/issue-28/essays/ghost-in-the-cloud/ .

    Check it out, sports fans........

    Meghan points to her struggle with Christian Transhumanism, and, in particular, their problem with transcendence. This is not unlike the battles over transubstantiation. This will need to be addressed at some length.

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    Post by Guest Mon May 15, 2017 7:55 pm

    I can relate so much to the woman in the article.

    I feel she is lost on the edge of destruction and danger with no paddle.

    She is in danger of suicide.

    There is an answer beyond silly Christian eschatology.

    A deeper history.

    I have it here, in my heart.

    It may be simulated, but I got this Wink

    You can find joy in a flower that would make the sadness in her article impossible.

    I didn't trade beliefs.

    She does not see the bigger picture yet.

    I hope she opens her eyes.
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    Post by dan Tue May 16, 2017 2:47 am

    Debbie and I are in Seville, with limited internet.  

    Meghan also speaks of Nick Bostrom who is another POI.  She points out that he is an atheist, like Kurtzweil and all the other Transhumanists.  It is just gratuitous snobbery on most of their parts, rather like Eric.  

    Sid understands the BPWH/SWH, but doesn't believe it.  Kevin believes, but doesn't understand.  Kevin is a literalist about the Tribulation/Armageddon, especially when not sober.  But, sometimes when he's sober, he understands that literal BoR, book of Revelation, maybe should be spiritually interpretated.  

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    I am with all those on The Way Dan. I'm in excellent company. Poor Kevin. Nothing is literal, not even Death. Apocalypse is just the uncovering of our hearts.

    Safe travels.
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    Post by Guest Tue May 16, 2017 9:19 am

    Rene Guènon claims that in this current æon the sufi/tao knowledge is the only 'contemporary' ascetic path to reconnect to our ontological principle. That's why sufism comes after christianity, now dead.

    The Principle.

    The center.

    Rene is right of course.

    I found the Sufi Tao path the truest path to the Heart.

    Dan, you need to get behind this.

    Reason must now sit down.

    The Way is not reasonable.
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    Well, now, let us all hope that Dan is dancing to another tune, rather like this:




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    I have the authority to transmit the pure intuitive light.

    I'm a natural man.

    That's all.

    I'm just clarity.

    Have you seen this Dan?

    I will not go away.

    It's important you see and receive what I'm showing you.

    I did all I could.

    Rene speaks Truth.



    This cannot be done using perverted metaphysics.

    If you cannot see Rene, you cannot see anything but your thoughts then.

    Prepare yourself for your encounter with The Principle.
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu May 18, 2017 12:02 am

    Hi Guys, sticking my head in the door and checking the environs.  All good here?  

    How'd the April Fools Disclosure go Dan?  Grin, you don't have to answer that.  

    I've been reviewing some interesting information just in case all the cold feet get pre-empted by ET this summer...June or July may still be on the table.  I'm surprised you all aren't paying more attention to Antarctica?  You all do recall the ptb missed the deadline September 24, 2015?

    Trump did get the memo, I hope, that the non-humans figure on razing all life from north america if nukes get used, especially in an attempt to avoid a summer sanity test of humanity?

    That was the skiivy in the woodwork.  Might want to give Footman a poke on it.

    Almost forgot...Synchronicity says pass him this link too: http://warisboring.com/the-hazards-of-military-worship/

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    One can only hope Dan's vacation is just the calm before the storm.

    Dan - No, I don't know where Brother Blue ended up. He had some very interesting ideas about the correlation between Discordianism and the UFO field.

    After all, we seem to be living through the first Discordian Presidency, whether accidentally or on purpose.
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    Post by NordicWonder Thu May 18, 2017 9:50 am

    Cyrellys wrote:I'm surprised you all aren't paying more attention to Antarctica?

    Hi Cy, pleasure to make your acquaintance. I'm pretty new around here, but I've been paying a lot of attention to the South Pole. Unfortunately no source of information can claim to be the "God's honest truth."

    Clif High in his webbot work is predicting a discovery of some sort which will revolutionize our way of life, based primarily on silver, which will supposedly going to be a primary component of "future tech" as it were. One of the specifics he mentions is a form of "crawling electricity" which will eliminate the use of outlets in indoor structures.

    David Wilcock and Corey Goode have been pounding the Antarctica drum pretty heavily, supposedly there are three massive alien starships buried beneath the ice that are being excavated by the Cabal, and are planned as part of a long-term soft disclosure narrative, also as a potential "distraction" to redirect public attention should prosecution/arrests of high level political figures associated with the Cabal begin.

    There was also that anonymous 4chan user who supposedly had high level Mason intel that there is a massive laboratory complex also hidden beneath the ice (original Builder Race ruins as mentioned by Wilcock/Goode) that contain very strange physical properties and also a myriad of creative "deathtrap" type security measures.

    There is a tremendous amount of stuff coming out on that subject, are you able to verify any of these claims, or at least indicate which one (if any) has any validity?

    Dan mentioned a week or so ago that he had heard of a natural portal/stargate in Antarctica as well.
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    Oh brother Nor Won.

    This gave me a good laugh.

    David Wilcock is an ass clown, that much is sure in the Universe.

    And yes, there are ones close to the Principle who have eradicated the materialism infection and are beautiful.

    Beauty is Truth.

    Stay close to beauty in the world.
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu May 18, 2017 10:20 am

    The Discord is the between the general population and those who dismiss the gen pop and use secrecy, lies, deceit, and even outright theft to maintain control.   Those actors don't see the hard looks that warn of lines crossed.  The MIC may fear ET and a disclosure they don't control, but in truth that suggested very action may be the only thing that saves their miserable bacon.  Shrug...

    Our Discordian President as you refer to him, wasn't so Discordian until he caved to the deep state actors on multiple points.  Maybe contact is his excuse?  But it seems to me that he should have gone straight to the people and enlisted the peoples help with house cleaning for that very reason.  Everyone was standing around waiting for him to do it.  Now everyone has thrown their hands in the air again and gone back to mulling over how the implosion is going to go and who is going to come out on top.

    I've silently watched the pile of hunting tags grow, shrink and then start growing again.  There's not a friggin thing to say.  I warned about this state of affairs in 2008.  Most of the listeners I had not brought to the table, laughed.  I'd hate to see them in a real war....they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

    Welcome to OMF Nordic Wonder. Very good keeping an eye on the South. Yes it is impossible to vet most of the voices speaking on it because with the anti-disclosure factions inclined to create funerals all speaking happens just outside of multiple layers of deniability. It's how skins are preserved.

    What you are looking for is the long running pattern and historical congruency. Set aside all assumptions and listen carefully. Consider all possibilities as to how discoveries are handled and watch for the hallmarks. Remember most things in this arena do not happen outside of programs.

    Also remember there are multiple factions with operators.

    Yes I am aware of all the points you listed. I date back to OMFv.1 and beyond. Been in the mix officially since the early 1990s, and am a grandchild of one who was in the mix for the better part of half a century you might say...

    Our first Prez and his people were not creating the original nation of states alone unaided you might say...too bad his warning about the cretins we have in power yanking the strings today went unheeded, but the blame is not entirely the Peoples, mine spent their guard duty sleeping on the job, by and large too. Water under the bridge.

    Now we have a complex situation pre-loaded with ugly problems.

    Good Morning Eric, yes Beauty is indeed Truth...but sometimes also the ugly is a glamour that masks it too. Consider dynamite comes in small packages, and the soft voice is most often the one that is heard farthest. Keep singing my friend, you are way ahead of the herd O' Shaman.

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    Haha.

    Tip of the hat Cy.

    Peace.
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    Post by NordicWonder Thu May 18, 2017 10:34 am

    Cyrellys wrote:a summer sanity test of humanity
    Also, as an aside, what might such a "sanity test" look like, in practical terms?
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    Post by NordicWonder Thu May 18, 2017 10:39 am

    garzparz wrote:David Wilcock is an ass clown

    I don't take his stuff at face value but I have said on other fora that if even 1% of 1% of what says is actually true it would change our world overnight.
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    An idiot can save the world.

    Only heart is required.

    I don't feel his heart, at least publicly, so he's a guaranteed distraction.

    I have found the heart is the only litmus test for authentic sources of Truth.

    That includes people who study the Eschaton.

    I'm not judging, just observing.
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    Post by Guest Thu May 18, 2017 10:53 am

    On further thought, I don't know what an ass clown looks like exactly.

    I'm still sure David is one though.

    And sometimes people who dance in tutus.

    That was just creepy...shivers Wink
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    Post by Cyrellys Thu May 18, 2017 10:53 am

    Nordic Wonder wrote:There is a tremendous amount of stuff coming out on that subject, are you able to verify any of these claims, or at least indicate which one (if any) has any validity?

    I am limited on what I can say.  I cannot verify Dan's "pod" statements as I am not involved in any of that.

    What I can say is "We are a post-apocalyptic world, caught between cycles of catacylsm.  We have periods of peace in which to prove ourselves.  This is also a term 'agreement' between the Ancients and the progenitors of the Illumined that allow for a period of influence that morphed into 'rule'.  This term is up or near up as I understand it.  

    The continent we today call Antarctica is something of a time capsule due to the pole shift that established its condition in rapid order.  In the rest of the world time and chaos has either wiped or swamped the remnants.  The Russians however have had success in digging up bits of pre-deluvian pieces publicly.  We just passed the anniversary of the discovery of the antikythera device.   And the raiding in the subterranean continues.  

    My suggestion of where everyone should be looking for physical proof is below the seas.  Consider Hy Brasil is now submerged...think about why, for a clue.  Now that you've done that, go looking for the naval records of sonar images of the sea floors, et al.  Look also at the military undersea bases and 'where' they are located and 'why' they are located in those spots.

    All I've just said is a lifetime of proof in and of itself...but there's always more.  Grin.

    If you need some 'useful' reading:  history - "Legacy of the Elder Gods by M Don Schorn", will be helpful in a myriad of ways."

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    as for the 'sanity test', my current understanding of it has a description of a 30+/- day unambiguous presence of the Greater Community. If humanity can keep their wits about them and not loose their marbles, humanity passes the test. If humanity acts like a bunch of imbeciles as some in the greater community expect they will do, because mankind seem bent on remaining child-like, then humanity fails.

    The consequences of failure is simple. Humanity stays put, right here, with little to no options in the face of the 'cycles'. Round and round the mullberry bush of extinction level events or at least ones that without advanced civilization skills and intellect result in cute little bottle-necks....remember what happened to Antarctica.

    There's your disclosure - human to human.

    As for ET. As above, so below...look around. The universe has its issues and its shining. Choice of nature is diverse. Some are friendlies, other's hostile.

    The biggest question in the universe is: The progenitors (not the same who produced the Illumined) who worked with Source (GOD/Universal Consciousness) to create all of you, with a "potential" to eventually and hopefully rival their own, were part of a grand story...the ancient mentors of young races created their own replacements when their own evolution carries them into a state of being where they are no longer available to mentor. YOU ALL are to be their replacements...and some want a piece of that action, i.e. the Greys. Others see you as competitors. BUT the BIGGEST QUESTION in the UNIVERSE right now is how do you see yourselves?

    Who and What do all of you CHOOSE to be? What 'nature' do you choose?

    In a nation built around the idea of nature, nature's God, natural rights and the values of the Ancients....the choice is playing out. It's not over till the fat lady sings.

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    Post by NordicWonder Thu May 18, 2017 11:24 am

    Thank you, Cy, for the book suggestion, I'll take a look at it. It will have to take its place behind "Forbidden Archaeology" though, that's my next challenge (currently working my way, slowly, through Father Seraphim Rose's commentary on Genesis and Early Man).

    Cyrellys wrote:unambiguous presence of the Greater Community

    "Greater Community" meaning Ascended Masters, awoken Stasis Beings, Blue Avians, Gods, Good/Bad ETs, or all of the above?

    The time capsule analogy seems apt and would encompass all of the present theories about what's under the ice (or none of them).

    COBRA has pointed to the sea floor, are you in touch with the COBRA movement or are they bunk?
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    As far as Disclosure goes, Cy is much more interesting and fun to read than Dan.

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