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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:29 am by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.

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The Loch Ness Monster


The Loch Ness Monster

Post by Guest on Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:08 pm

Magnificent Loch  Ness, Scotland's  largest lake in volume (c. 2 cubic miles (7.4 km³) of freshwater) is home to fascinating and  intriguing Nessy, the world's most famous lake monster. The loch lies in the north and is one of  a series of interlinking lakes which runs along the Great Glen fault line. It is 23 miles (37 km) long and 1 mile (1.6 km ) at its  widest point, with an average depth of 600 ft (182.8 m), 786 ft (240 m) at its deepest point, second only to  Loch Morar, which has a depth of 1017 ft (310 m), and at c. 22 square miles (56.4 km²) it is second only to Loch Lomond (made famous in song) in surface area.  It has an average temperature of 5.5° C (42°F).

Sightings of the mysterious animal are said to go back to St. Columba in 582 as reported by Adamnan in The Life of St. Columba, but not in the loch itself (it was in the River Ness), and the report may not have been reliable (Loch Ness Modern sightings begin in 1871 (the 1st modern water-based case; the 1st land-based case was in 1879), but especially since 1933, and according to Roy Mackal, in his book The Monster of Loch Ness, there have been 3000 ( LNIB (Loch Ness Investigation Bureau) has compiled 1000 (

Some of the sightings are misidentications of logs or known animals and  some are hoaxes, but some are the actual monster. It is described as being about 10-40 ft. in overall length, and usually as having a small, snake-like head (with horns or antennas often mentioned), long neck, bulky body with humps (usually 2 or 3), 4 short, thick legs like an elephant or dinosaur or webbed feet, or flippers, and a long tail ( 45%  of the reports describe humps, which disappear once the animal straightens out, and 20 % are of  a back or body without humps, which is most commonly described as like an upturned boat, but also as similar to an elephant's back or a giant eel ( There was at least 1 mass sighting--in '58, a bus-load of people saw a creature with 2 humps, the larger one estimated at 25 ft. long (loch-ness-monster-nessieland).

Several expeditions have been in pursuit of the elusive creature.  There have been 21 sonar probes and 1 hydrophone probe (from 1954-2008) (15 tabulated in and another 6 sonar probes and 1 hydrophone probe described in Loch Ness Monster-Wikipedia; Monstre du Loch Ness-Wikipédia), 9 getting positive results. These were done by Birmingham U., LNIB, Robert Rines' Academy of Applied Science, the World Book Encyclopedia, Oxford, Cambridge, and the BBC, among others. Here is a summary of the highlights:

'68: LNIB team detects multiple animate objects ascending and descending to the bottom at 10 knots (12 mph or 20 km/h); they were clearly animals and were not air-breathers and  probably not fish.

'70: Mackal's Big Expedition hydrophone system detects chirps, knocks, and clicks, the latter 2 indicating echo-location followed by a turbulent swishing indicating a tail and a moving-in for the kill; there is no similarity between these sounds and those of 100s of known aquatic animals.

'87: Operation Deep Scan made sonar contact with a very  large object of unusual strength and another large moving object  at a depth of 600 ft.

'93: Discovery Loch Ness makes 3 sonar contacts each followed by a powerful wake; also, it is discovered that the fish population is 9 times previous estimates.

The Rines expeditions got positive results but I leave them out as Tony Harmsworth considers them to be improperly done and unreliable at best and makes a good case (, and he is a believer so has credibility. He himself had  a sighting and took some pictures.

And there have been some 30 cases of film evidence (from 1933-2010)(; Monstre du Loch Ness-Wikipédia). Peter Scott, British naturalist, and  member of the LNIB, named the beast Nessiteras rhombopteryx based on a picture showing a rhomboid fin, taken by 1 of the Rines expeditions, but the picture had been enhanced, and it is unclear if the original really showed such an object, and Harmsworth considers it a fake. None of the motion-pictures or stills are conclusive, and all of the classic ones have turned out to be fakes ( However, a recent (2016) photo by Ian Bremner is clear and large and does seem to show the classic humps. Skeptics, who are often and erroneously called debunkers, say it is 3 seals, but it doesn't look like that.

The LNPIB (later the LNIB), which operated from '62-'72,  was founded by MP David James and Peter Scott. In '69 it had over 1000 members, over half from the UK, and its directors included David James, Peter Scott, and Roy Mackal, among others, and the Chairman was Norman Collins (Loch Ness monster-Wikipedia).  

The most popular theory as to the nature of the beast is that it is some sort of  plesiosaur, but Dutch zoologist Antoon Oudermans in 1892 suggested that sea serpents were a type of eel and in the '30s he suggested Nessy was of this type. Lt. Cmdr. Rupert Gould (the Case for the Sea Serpent, Loch Ness Monster) suggested  something like  a long-necked newt, and Mackal gave it an 88% probability on his list. Bernard Heuvelmans has maintained that they are a pinniped, specifically an unknown species of long-necked seal. But Harmsworth rules all of these out except amphibians but says it is most likely a fish, probably a sturgeon, but this does not fit the descriptions.

Heuvelmans (Wikipedia) is the father of cryptozoology and coined the term "cryptozoologie". He was born in France and raised in Belgium, has a PhD in zoology,  founded the Centre de Cryptozoologie in '75 in France, was a founder of the ISC (International Society of Cryptozoology; its official organ is the Journal of the International Society of Cryptozoology) in DC, and was its 1st president, and was 1st president of the Center for Fortean Zoology. He wrote 5 books: Sur la piste des bêtes ignorées ('55), Dans le sillage des monstres marins ('58), Le Grand-Serpent-de-Mer ('65), Les derniers dragons d'Afrique ('78), and Les bêtes humaines d'Afrique ('80). The 1st 3 were translated into English. In '99, he donated 50, 000 documents, photos, and specimens to the Lausanne Musée de Zoologie.

The difficulty in detecting the creature is probably because of its small numbers, estimated at about 1 to several dozen or so (Loch Ness Monster-unmuseum), the large size of the lake, and possibly that it burrows into the lake bottom for warmth, and the probes are probably noisy which would scare it away (

There are over 80 such monsters in an incomplete list on Wikipedia. Here is a tally table:

US 25
Canada 17
Africa 15
Europe 13
Asia 9
Australia 2 (Bunyip and Aggy)

Alaska, NZ, Costa Rica, and South America each have 1. The most famous in North America are Ogopogo in Lake Okanagan in BC and Champ in Lake Champlain in NY and Vermont, its northern shore bordering Quebec.

Although the sound detection and photographic and film evidence do not provide overwhelming or conclusive evidence (altho the Bremner picture might be considered as such), they do provide an indication that there is something unusual there, and there are just too many cases of independent, credible, and reliable witnesses describing an unknown animal for the phenomenon to be attributed entirely to hoaxes or misidentifiications, so we can conclude there is an unknown creature in the loch and similar creatures in many other lakes around the world.

Recommended books:

More than a Legend Constance Whyte
Encyclopedia of the Loch Ness Monster Paul Harrison
Loch Ness and the Monster Nicholas Witchell
Loch Ness and its Monster J.A. Carruth

There are as well many other cryptic creatures such as hominids: the Sasquatch, Yeti, Agogwe of Tanzania (resembles australopithecines), the Orang Pendek of Sumatra, the Almas of the Pamir Mtns. of Tadjikistan, the Yahoo or Yowie of the Australian Outback; wolfmen or werewolves;  the Su or Succarath of the Argentine pampas (possibly a supposedly extinct ground sloth (mylodon)); flying creatures: the Thunderbird of the SW US (which may be a supposedly extinct, giant, flying reptile (a pterodactyl or pterosaur)), the  teratorn,  the Kongamato of Zambia's Jiundu Swamp (a pterodactyl or giant bat);  the Mokele-mbembe (large reptile, possibly a sauropod that escaped extinction) of the Congo's Likouala Swamp; the water-tiger of South America; and  the Nandi Bear of the Great Rift Valley in Africa. Recommended books are those by Heuvelmans mentioned above and Alien Animals by Janet and Colin Bord.
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Re: The Loch Ness Monster

Post by Alchemical Coincidence on Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:51 pm

Interdimensional beings who, from time to time, like Sasquatch, pop into our reality.

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