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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

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With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

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Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Guest on Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:19 am

First topic message reminder :

Ok, I'm slowly backing away. You guys have fun. Until next time, don't let the aliens or black op fascists get you.

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Simply, there is no seeker. 
There is nothing to attain. 
No such thing as enlightenment. 
Let's stop all this silliness.

We are lost in a hypnotic dream of separation. 

Searching for something only illustrates ignorance of reality.

Refining the mind seems like a good use of time. 

We are just dreamseekers following dreamteaching. 

There is no understanding oneness, there is just being in it.

This is all already known.

We just are remembering.

That includes all of your drama too Dan. 

We will have no impact unless love is involved. 

I know, I'm no help and a big distraction.

That is half right, we are all so very distracted.

Love is all that is moving.

As you were.


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Post by dan on Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:51 am

From: Dan
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016
Subject: Visa for Mr. Smith
To: Ronald
Cc: "John L.

Ron,  

I take it, then, that you have been successful at realigning the Vectors.

I am, charitably, giving this endeavor better than even odds of not being a joke. See how charitable I can be, sometimes.  

Dan


On Saturday, September 17, 2016, Ronald  wrote:
Hi John,

Please request an OW Visa for Mr. Smith.

Thanks,

Ron

Ronald Pandolfi, Ph.D.
Director, TACP-Network
Kashmir-Robotics, a division of Kashmir World Foundation
www.KashmirWorldFoundation.org


Meanwhile, Paul Z sends the following links......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_of_opposites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_monism

http://thetempleofnature.org/_dox/unity-of-opposites-dialectic.pdf

I made a last ditch appeal to Paul to help me attempt to bridge the gap between monism and non-dualism w.r.t. Chopra, Kafatos and Kastrup.  

Each of them has communicated, both with Paul and Jack.  

By saying last-ditch, I'm actually acknowledging the possibility credence of the post from Ron.  

When I wittingly started this endeavor, forty years ago, I had two thoughts, which, in retrospect, were obviously contradictory......

1.)  It should be obvious to everyone that materialism is baloney, and...

2.)  I might, personally, have a significant role to play in its demise.  

What was contradictory was that, very likely, my objective and subjective judgments were becoming conflated.  

But, subsequently, I had a further thought about this contradiction....

It was substantially due to the courage of my personal convictions, gratis Sophia, that I was able to view the matter with historical objectivity.  My Sophia encounter was minimal.... there ought to be other folks out there.  It was only with my Pelican encounter that I began to suspect that the game was fixed.  

The realization of that definite possibility did frequently drive me to the brink.  It was the five year hiatus in the R&D show that allowed me the distance to reflect on the irony of the whole situation.  I think I've had time to move forward, without undue stress.  

Yesterday, I had sufficient distance to throw out the great bulk of mine and my ancestors personal scribblings.... thinking that, either way, it won't make a hill of difference.  It is another burden removed.... a personal release.  

For instance, the above missive is obviously tongue in cheek, in tone. But that is for all of our benefits. No? Comfort.... all the way around.

What would happen on the other side..... space and time-wise?

Well, the Vectors may not be of much help. It would be.... seat of the pants.... flying without instruments.... speaking of historical time.



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Post by dan on Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:43 am

Ok, sports fans, let's see if my understanding and surmises are in the right ball park......

Within the next couple of weeks, not too many more than a dozen of us will have a rendezvous with some other beings on the other side of an airlock at some desert facility.  There will be some before and after photos.  Time spent on the other side will not be more than a few hours.  

During this rendezvous, there will be communications supportive of the MoAPS.  OM would continue to be the primary venue for any public discussion of these eventualities.  

However, either before or soon after the election, there already exists a scenario for bringing a question about some substantial aspect of the DR to the WHPB, and Jeff already has in mind a cogent response.  This, in turn, would constitute a substantial aspect of the 'September' surprise.

From that point on, the crystal-balls become rather hazy.  

Is there something I'm not understanding, here?  Please do enlighten us.  
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Post by dan on Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:04 am

Let's go back to the three articles linked by Paul......

On the one hand, we the unity of opposites, otoh, we have dialectal monism.  We have referred to these as non-dualism and monism, respectively.  

The problem with non-duality is that it does not have a dialectic.  And what does that mean.....?  

Well, it looks like we get the week off.  John has to consult with some others about the visa.  Meanwhile, Ron will be talking to some folks on the Hillary team..... something weird is going on.  You go, girl.  In the good old days, Jack acted in a porn movie..... the Green Door.  


The unity of opposites is passive.  The dialectic is active...... big difference.  

DKK, as with the other non-dualists, do not ascribe any special status to historical time.... it's all just part of the illusion of duality.  

But, as with Heraclitus, change/flux has a special status, from the dialectical PoV.  This is where Plotinus got off w.r.t. Plato.  

McGill points out that philosophers, logicians, and social theorists, in the west, particularly from 1850-1950, struggled with the one and the many.  

The non-dualists simply do not recognize the One.  Yes, the non-dualists do speak of Brahman, but only in impersonal terms.  

Now that I think of it, it is Hegel who may come closest to bridging the East/West gap.  And I think that Paul was trying to point this out to me.  I'll have to check.  


5:10--------

Ron seems concerned that all the vectors are not aligning properly. Like Hillary not resigning? Yes. Well, should I talk to her? Chuckle.



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Post by GSB/SSR on Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:28 pm

Dan, do you recall the significance of the vision of the lunar "green fog" mentioned by Ingo Swann in his telepathy-with-aliens book "Penetration?" I also recall someone on the Sarfatti list mention a green fog.

What lies beyond the green veil? ;-)





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Post by GSB/SSR on Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:31 pm

Davis told us, “NIDS folded in October 2004 and ceased routine intensive staff visits to the ranch back in 2001. I was the team leader from 1999-2001.”

“There were multiple voices that spoke in unison telepathically,” Davis candidly explained, regarding the Skinwalker attack, “The voices were monotone males with a very terse, threatening tone … Four senses were in their control so there was no odor, sound, smell, or touch, and overall body motion was frozen (as in the muscles that would not respond). Afterwards, when completely freed from this event — after the dark shadow disappeared — there was no lingering or residual odors, sounds, etc. in the immediate environment.”

Was Bob Bigelow’s remote ranch possessed by an evil supernatural entity?

“How do you interpret that?” I asked Davis. “Sounds like the Exorcist?”

“It does sound like it,” Davis responded, “But it wasn’t in the category of demonic possession. More like an intelligence giving a warning to the staff by announcing its presence and that they (the staff) were being watched by this presence. Demonic possessions are not short lived nor as benign as this, and they always have a religious context.”

What, exactly, was behind the reported experiences at Skinwalker Ranch? Was an unknown and highly capable and intelligent entity guarding its territory?

http://www.starpod.us/2013/01/14/kit-greens-mindtap-attack-at-skinwalker-ranch/


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Post by dan on Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:21 pm

Gary,

What was happening........?

Sure, why not? Do you have a problem with the idea of territoriality?



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Post by dan on Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:39 am

I continue to be hopeful that we will get to the desert, and that something useful will happen, and that this eventuality will tend to be supportive of the BPWH.  

What I continue to be unclear about is how rumors of this eventuality will make it back to Josh at the WHPB.  Perhaps a scenario has already been worked out.  Kevin agrees that, at first we should strive for containment.  But, based on past experience, that's not likely to be a problem.  We'll have a temporary exclusive, right here.  If, after a couple of weeks, we're getting no feedback, then we'll go to plan B.  I have no idea what that might be.  

Meanwhile, Paul and I are working on a missive to CK&K....  What can they add to their non-duality that might render it more useful in the event of an 'emergency'?  

And I continue to study the Hegelian concept of the dialectic as it might help to bridge the E/W historical gap.  

If we get lucky with the BPWH, it will be easier to pin it on an external influence.  


2:40--------

It has been suggested that I speak on behalf of the princess at an informal gathering at the Rayburn building, tomorrow.  She is currently not feeling well.  When I hesitated, she said I could also bring up this other stuff.  I've not heard back.  

How might I do that, should the occasion arise.....?

I'm the resident philosopher at the Kashmir World Foundation. The Foundation presents a technological response to protecting endangered species.  Why, then, philosophy?  

Well, the princess recognizes that technology alone will not save endangered species.  What else is needed?  

When did philosophy ever save anything?  It never has, but....

I harbor a sliver of hope that, rather soon, the princess and I will be included on a mission into the desert, to bring to light a sliver of truth, which has been there for many years, at the least.  And it's not the only one, I've been told.  

Why now, though, after all these years?  Can't the truth wait..... at least until after the election?  

Well, that question is above my paygrade, but, personally, I've never been the sort to stand on ceremony.  If the door is open when I get there, I'm walking through.  I've always wanted to know.... what was going on behind the green door.  

If anyone has a thought or question about this, please, share it with me.  Thank you.  


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No, the folks at the UAS briefing would have in no way benefited from a DR briefing, and, besides, the Princess was ordered, out of her sick bed, to a attend the briefing.  We had a good time, down town.  All is not lost.  

What's the matter with those vectors.....?  

It seems that the Katechon is not rolling over and playing dead.  There is still some fight left in the old boy.  Scientism is no longer the problem.  It's something a little more personal.....

Kevin was going to be okay.  Smitty?  Hmmm...... Not so good.  On that one...... we'll have to get back to you.  Hey, just take your time, boys.... we have all the time in the world.  

Mind, you, I'm playing along with the game.  If we want to get along, we still have to play along.  All is fair.  

There are, at least, two sets of vectors.... one for the door, and one for the timing.  But there is surely some overlap, as well.  Even if the September vectors are lined up, that doesn't mean it's just open sesame.  No.  Like I say, it gets more personal.  You have to pass the smell test, with the other guys.  Darn it, where'd I put that old spice?  
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So, it's back to Hegel and Deepak....... love those dialectics.  

Dialectics are personal.  Marx and the Daoists did their darnedest to extirpate the personal from the Dialectic.  It's like trying to take the Person out of the Logos..... sorry 'bout that, all you AI girls and boys.  

Yes, how can you have a logos without a dialectic? You can't speak, without speaking to someone, if only yourself. How often do we debate with ourselves? Frequently.

We have dialectics with dielectrics..... that's a stretch. Well, I'm not so sure about that. That debate.... it was electric. It made your hair stand on end. Where would biology and chemistry be without that juice? Is it not our vital force? But, hey, that's only an analogy, a metaphor. And you're telling me that life is not that? Tell that to Shakespeare.





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Post by dan on Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:35 am

I am reading the section on the history of (Western) dialectics that appears as the last section of Hegel's dialectics in the SEP.  

The BPWH might be seen as a footnote to the first few paragraphs of that section.  I can thank Paul Z for leading me to this insight.  

Meanwhile, Ron continues to focus his attention on Monday's debate.  He suspects that their relative performances will only add momentum to Donald's rise in the polls.  And even, possibly, lead to Hillary's withdrawal from the race, for health reasons.  

At that point, the plan will move forward.  This would be part of the September surprise.  When queried as to whose plan this was, there was no answer.  

I suspect a considerable bias at work here, a bias which I don't happen to share, certainly not at this point.  

Did this plan in any way involve the DR?  No intelligible response.  This is the first time that a plan has been mentioned.  
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Back to the dialectic.......


5:15-------

Hegel was a monist, but he was also an absolutist.  There was vitality in the dialectic leading up to the Absolute.  

My claim is that the Monad is personal..... that it has a substantially personal aspect.  

The Monad, per-se, is an abstraction, like the atom.  The ultimate glue or solvent is cosmic love.  The Monad is just an asymptotic abstraction of that love.  

The ultimate Source is some sort of cosmic Olympiad.  That is also the Telos.  

The Telos is the shining Presence...... beyond space and time.  Do we have to give up the illusion of free will?

How would that still be personal? Freedom is nothing left to lose. That is the state of omnipresence. No rock has been left unturned.


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Post by dan on Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:20 am

IMHO, just as the scientists have the world inside out, Hegel had the dialectic upside down.  

Hegel had Plotinus upside down.  Did he not even realize this?  Or was he doing it deliberately?  

The BPWH does it like Plotinus, but, with personalism, we start with an Olympiad, instead of a Monad.  Leibniz should have had Plotinus, too, but, instead, he had no time dimesion, at all.  

Of course, Plotinus' view is virtually the same as the Sephirot in Kabbalah, with the Ein Soph as the Monad. We just need to add a little sapience to the Sephirot.  

But wait..... the Ein Soph is just YHWH, the I Am.  What could possibly be more sapient than that?  

Do see..... http://www.digital-brilliance.com/history/overview/neoplatonism.php  

And now, I think we already have the September surprise, in hand.  John can simply tell us what he already knows, and we can dribble it out here, as a controlled leak.  That is the best kind of leak, isn't it?  The Princess will talk to the Footmann about this.  We should be able to get started this evening, when the Princess gets back from Manassas.  

The Princess pointed out that, in regard to this kind of stuff, the Footmann may actually be working for John.  But he's also working for me, so the Princess and I have him in a pretty good bind.  Wouldn't you say?  

The Footmann will have two of his bosses pitted against the other one.  Don't we feel sorry for him?  What a predicament.  

And Eric texts me......
Wanna know where I'm going? You sure you wanna go through that green door? https://youtu.be/lX6JcybgDFo
I can hardly wait.....

Looking at this another way, we just have the Great Chain of Being (GCB).  But the GCB is by us, for us and about us.  The two ends of it, the two poles are just abstractions.... the Monad and the Atom/adam.   It's like a diamond, with us and the Earth in the middle.  Just like the KWF logo.  Does the Princess know more than she's telling?  I remember the evening when she sat me down, and she designed it while I looked on.  Impressive.  


10:20--------

The only real problem with the ancient mystics was that they didn't appreciate matter.  They didn't understand Pythagoras.  It wasn't until Einstein and the quantum pioneers that we could appreciate Wigner's UEM.  

But, before Wigner we had the j-man and the subsequent alchemists.  It's because of that Evangel that we now have the Internet, and we can all step through the Green Door, together, holding hands and singing Kumbaya.  I can hardly wait.  And it can all start this evening.  

Historically, Hegel was anticipating Darwin.  So they both had the GCB upside down.  

Darwin was just the alchemist for biology.  And, don't let them fool you, big pharma is just doing alchemy, they are turning base chemicals into medical gold.

And we all know that alchemy derives from the Eucharist.  In Silicon Valley, they turn sand into gold, and that's why we had to wait 2,000 years for disclosure.  Kumbaya.  

You see, sports fans, that the cia was just a cover for the cover who is dear little innocent John.  If you had gone to central casting for a more unlikely Katechon, you could not possibly have done better, because this is the best possible disclosure.  With all the gold in Fort Knox, you couldn't have done better.  

And already this seems to be working.  But who is PF?  Eric thinks that is the Katechon.  I can't remember my own acronyms, but, no, that's not it.  


1:40--------

Long text chat with Eric.  We're still on the same page.  We maintain our protocol, come hell or high water.  

Steve is on the page.  I'm waiting for the west coast to chime in.  Eric was the early bird.  


2:30-------

David G is on the page.  Paul is ready to be on the page.  

And now this from Eric....... http://www.inquisitr.com/3289920/obama-will-make-full-ufo-and-alien-disclosure-in-2016-bookmakers-slash-the-odds-as-expectations-rise-video/#6KtdedoP6zMgPDuP.99

Steve is good, don't you think?  He's our man.  


6:20-------

I'm just sitting by the phone, waiting for the Princess to give the go ahead.  She'll have to persuade John to talk.  Even Paul Price hung up on me.  

Paul Z, on the other hand, is ready to go.  Unfortunately, Deepak has taken himself out of the loop.  Kafatos is busy.  Kastrup is still a possibility.

Paul is defending Hegel.  He is definitely coming back in vogue.  And he was actually a personalist.  Was he not also an absolutist?  Maybe he got a bad rap on that one.  

Paul will talk to David.


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Free will.........

Yes, everyone knows we have free will, but it's hard to put a finger on it.  Often, when we come to make a decision, we realize that our mind has already been made up.  Other times, we struggle......
Did you ever have to make up your mind
Pick up on one and leave the other behind
It's not often easy and not often kind
Did you ever have to make up your mind

It feels more like a balancing act.  How free are we.... walking on a tight rope?  

Love and reason.....?  How could we have these, without free will?  Oh?  Then tell me about Cupid.  How can we know the truth, without independent judgment?  Sometimes the truth sneaks up on us... it comes in a dream..... or a still, small voice.... stream of consciousness.  We know it when we see it.  Aesthetics?  Harmony.... connecting the dots?  It seems more like a skill, than it seems like freedom.  Inspiration?  Does that come from freedom?   Often it seems to come from nowhere.... out of the blue.  

I'm sure there must be freedom, somewhere, it's just that no one has found it, yet.  

And, besides, in the BPW, we just need to find the right niche.  We need to find where the current feels right.  We stick a paddle in and test the waters, watching out for the rapids.  


And then we have the dialectic....  Maybe that's just symmerty breaking, seen in the rear view mirror.  Isn't SB a kind of freedom?  Not when it is being mediated by the Telos.  Does anyone wish to argue with the Telos?  It carries the big stick.  I'm guessing it's the biggest one in the Valley.  Ye, though I walk.....

Vectors... schmectors. Who needs vectors when you have the Telos? I'm guessing that Hillary will intimidate the Donald. Rip him a new one, girl. He gets zero mercy from the Telos.

His deplorables....? They are mine. They are my people. You get your hands off of them, Donald. I didn't come all this way, just to see you mess around. We've got better things to do.

So, you like the MoAPS, Donald? Well, that's good, because you're about to get MoAPSed.



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Change is in the air.  Everyone knows it's coming.  Donald is blindly throwing himself at it.... desperately.  Hillary is smart enough to know that whatever is coming down.... it's above her pay grade.  She's here to keep catching the dogs and to keep the airplanes flying.  Donald thinks it's about him.  He was trying to bare his chest to the lightning, like Putin.  He doesn't know how to unbutton his shirt.  It's a metaphysical trick.... stolen lightning.  

When you pack up, Donald, please just leave us the deplorables.  They belong to us.  Thanks for the effort, though.  If you actually want to do the MoAPS, however, you have my phone #.  You could do worse.  We could all do worse.  

Now things start to drift, as the Princess suggests.  The Vectors are drifting.  There is confusion.... consternation.  Folks aren't quite ready to get the ducks in a row.  Donald was going to be their pivot, but not mine.  Whenever......  The gods, they must be crazy.  

Hillary will keep the planes in the sky, and the bombs in the ground.  She still has patience.  A lot of people have lost theirs.  God must be a drama queen.  

Donald could still be a pivot, but not while he's threatening to play King.  The Kindom comes, Donald, it's just not yours.  JFK was threatening to play King, also.  Maybe wrt the green door, even.  


3pm/ft--------

This from Eric, yesterday.......

https://isgp-studies.com/coast-to-coast-am-radio-on-ufos-aliens-and-conspiracy#dan-smith



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Post by Foot Mann on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:57 am

The Russian President has been quoted saying "If It’s Hillary Clinton, It’s War” Perhaps Russia and China can relax a bit now. As Skai predicted many months back, Donald has moved from far behind into the lead. Skai may have put the vectors back in order.
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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:05 pm

Tell me about it......


7:15------

It seems that I misunderstood about the portal.  There is only one on the Earth.  Donald is the only politician favoring disclosure.  He is looking forward to the commercial exploitation of said portal.  

Others just want the status quo.  

Last week, Ron said that Trump was favorably disposed to the MoAPS. Today he is saying that Donald said no such thing.




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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:26 am

One theory is that Disclosure will happen only when fat cats are paying big bucks to go through the green door, on a regular basis.  50 million per customer was a proposed price of admission.  Donald would use the revenue stream to balance the budget.  He was deemed the only one of the many candidates to favor such a proposal.  

The others did not favor disclosure of any kind, it is reported.  

What, then, happened to the September surprise?  

And, no, Trump is concerned with neither the MoAPS nor the Eschaton.  Obama is not willing to be the Disclosure president.  There you have it.  

Is God going to play politics with the fate of humanity?   Does this sound like the BPW?  

Rather, this sounds more like the sale of indulgences.  This sounds like the Third Alternative..... 50 million $ to get into heaven.  That's how to keep out the riffraff..... the first shall be first, after all.  

I'm relieved to know that he was headed to a meeting with the Chinese and Russians who felt insulted by the fact that I wasn't going to vote for the Donald.  But, if I play nice, I can get a 10% cut on all admissions.  I can be the ticket taker at the door, dressed in my white robe.  Now we're talking.  Great minds think alike.  


4:45---------

Trump the trickster.  He has tricked the deplorable republicans.  In the end, we all need to be tricked into love.  Cupid is the ultimate trickster.  Who would walk into love or a cold shower with their eyes open?  We keep hope alive, come hell&high water.



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:28 am

So, are you guys going out to meet the aliens or not? And are they here to serve man?
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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:56 am

According to my source, they don't know, and could care less about the election.  Donald wants to exploit them, particularly if it will upset the establishment.  Which does not mean that the well-heeled will not pay big bucks for gawking rights.  Everyone for themselves, down here, as usual.  

I'm being blamed for the delay. Apparently I can insult the aliens and the Russians, in one breath. I'm not holding mine.

If I'm supposed to be in charge.... I'd better be there. Otherwise, I'll take someone's word for it. If Footmann has been over, he's never exhibited a result. What's the point, otherwise? It might as well be a circus sideshow.



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:08 am

Why is it the slightest bit surprising aliens would care about human political matters, much less the outcome of a single nation-state's election. If they care about humanity at all, it's only because we're getting in their way.

The objective is not about us. The only thing of value on earth is its diverse biosphere. And we're screwing that up. Your eschaton may well be more by aliens spraying can of raid into the anthill of civilization than nuclear Gaiacide at the hands of a suicidal humanity.
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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:30 am

PF,

I'm like little kid, I still believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.  

I still believe in truth.  That's the most bizarre belief of all.  

I don't believe in survival of the fittest.  I don't believe in Darwin.  

I'm thinking that we're actually here for a reason.... such a naïf!  

I even believe in the principle of sufficient reason.... things don't happen without a reason. I don't believe in the Big Bang, even.

If there is a green door in the desert, it's not there so that Donald, or anyone else, can charge admission.


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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:45 am

Whose reason, Dan? The multiverse is a pretty big place. Suitably advanced technologists might just seem like gods to us. We're easily confused. (I know I am).

And BTW, have you considered just what bad news it would be for humanity to find one of those black monoliths? What happened to those Australopithecans who lost the water hole to the winning tribe? Bad news for them. So what does that imply for the rest of humanity after the star child takes residence in orbit around earth? Kubrick didn't believe in hope, he depicted the hopeless.

EDIT: Dan, it occurs to me this probably doesn't bother you. Eschaton and all that.
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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:57 am

Yes, PF,

I'm glad you finally realized that Stanley and I are not the same person.  I'm not Arthur Clark, either.  

You believe in the Multiverse.  You seem as though it would be impossible for anyone to believe otherwise.  I'm actually a walking, talking small Earther.  Even more exotic, I'm a personalist.  I presume you never met one of my kind, before.  It must be startling.  

Maybe I was born on the other side of the door.... I'm just a stranger in a strange land. Ron intimates that there are more than a few of us. Donald is, too, but he pretends to have forgotten. There's your Darwinist. You're welcome to him.



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:04 am

I don't know what I believe. Multiverse? Deutsch makes some good arguments. And you can't say quantum computing doesn't work. He got that right.

You're an earther. I assume that doesn't mean _flat earther_. They're popular on youtube these days. But if not, I don't quite know what an earther is. And I have to say, I'm still reading through these threads of yours yet not comprehending.
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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:14 am

I said SMALL Earther, as in hollow Earther.  

We're actually living on the inside, if you want to get technical.  

The green door is to the outside.... that's the other side.  

Science is fine, but they just have everything inside-out and upside-down.  The green door will lead us to the MoAPS, the mother of all paradigm shifts.  

You are paranoid.... and I'm pronoid.  Get over it, get used to it.  


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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by ParanoidFactoid on Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:23 am

And here I thought 'behind the green door' meant something else entirely.

If we're inside the earth, what's outside?

What about those aliens? I know some of our featherless friends also think interaction may be dangerous. And certainly what you've posted about Eric Davis' skinwalker encounters at farpoint ranch doesn't seem particularly pleasant.
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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:40 am

They just don't like us messing with their portals.  

Yes, there are other portals around, but, if we're to believe Footmann, only the one at Area 51 is currently, stably accessible.  I'm just persona non grata.  As Dale once said, in reference to FM.... I'm a loose cannon with a big mouth.

The outside is the other side.... get it?

Then, how do volcanoes work? The two items are two different aspects of consciousness. The green door and the volcano.... each has its own audience and authority. You don't want to get the two mixed up, now, do you?



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