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Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Cyrellys on Mon May 04, 2015 12:29 am

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dan wrote:Cy,

I'm not in favor of guns, but I understand that some folks need that extra sense of security.  

Yesterday we were at the national Cathedral doing the flower market for Kashmir-Rose.  Today we are headed to a WCUAVC flight day at a school down here.  


Was looking at the connection between India and Greece back in the day.  In fact there was a Greco-Indian empire, created by Alexander the Great.  The mutual influence



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Well guns have their place, but that wasn't the point...the point was that Hillary equates gun possession with violent individuals or groups and I think I quite clearly illustrated the problem with that kind of thinking by saying I've never been responsible for hurting someone.

I'm not a violent person and my record attests to that. Hillary however is responsible for the deaths of two exemplary military members and one Ambassador, all by design. She also responsible for the arrests and loss of career of one General and one Admiral who attempted to send in a rescue party. They would have been successful in the rescue and then the creation of ISIS and the gun running that contributed to it would have been exposed. Nothing like wiping the proof of criminal wrong doing off the map to protect your own arse Hildebeast? Like any of us would forget and forgive her? Hillary apparently doesn't own guns and yet she's been responsible for the ending of at least three lives and two careers. She's five ahead of this gun owner. And that's just what we happen to know about. There's rumors her and her prior hubby were involved in the drug trade of Arkansas and S. America...then there's China and Walmart. I could go on but what's the point. Truth is too old fashioned and justice is also out-dated.

I'm a celt so truth and justice is not a cultural trait in the eyes of the modern umbrella society which refuses to acknowledge those traits as part of the nation's psyche, but rather as a personal neurosis that they'd probably insist a straightjacket and heavy medication be applied to if I were within reach in DC. Truth and justice equals neurosis? What kind of thinking is that?!! But that's the spew emerging from orgs like DHS since its inception. So when it comes to commentary, turn-about-is-fair-play. They and their flunkies make snide comments about us and we return the favor.

>>>on India and Greece...look at the Sanskrit language and old greek. Then compare it to Old Irish. Fascinating? Now look at some of the ideas each culture valued...same again. All three have same root system. Ah but why would anyone care about the legacy of the elder gods? 'er ET and the seeding of civilizations? Virmana are inconveniences...ah! and there once was one in the vicinity of Fermoy Eire of all places! That is if you can take the Christian overlay off the history.

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Idiosyncrasy: the good, the bad, and the ugly...

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Post by dan on Mon May 18, 2015 3:26 pm

Cy,

Truth is not something that can be compromised.  Here are the basic propositions/axioms of the BPWH......

1.)  Truth must be personally coherent.

2.)  Truth must pertain to a world that is personally coherent.


Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice." Pilate said to Him, "What is truth?"
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Dan wrote:Cy,

Truth is not something that can be compromised. Here are the basic propositions/axioms of the BPWH......

1.) Truth must be personally coherent.

2.) Truth must pertain to a world that is personally coherent.

3.) Any such world would be quantitatively finite, i.e. in space and time.

4.) Ours is such a world. Such a world is relational.... to be is to relate. This is the fundamental monism of all existence.

5.) Virtually by these definitions our world must be theocentric, anthropocentric and geocentric..... the astronomical appearances notwithstanding.



Dan I never said truth can be compromised. I've said truth can be interpreted differently based on:

a. knowledge base
b. perceptual differentials
c. experiential context
d. and narratives to which we are invested and wedded.

Few truths are personally coherent. And our world most certainly is not coherent. Yes it is relational. People cling to centricisms like they would broken undewear if they were dumped on the side of the road by someone with only that to shield them before the inspection by all they encounter. It's a bad habit and really doesn't inhibit imagination. And why would the inhibition of imagination be of value or meaningful in such a situation? Humanity is entirely too young to be making judgements about insanity, IMO.


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Post by dan on Tue May 19, 2015 10:05 am

Cy,

Centrisms.........?

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
   Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
   The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
   The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
   The best lack all conviction, while the worst
   Are full of passionate intensity.


Is this what you want, Cy?  Be mindful of what you wish for!

For at least four centuries, the idea of material progress has occupied the imaginations of the best of us.  As that light fades, we have lost all sense of direction.  And this at a time when the world's resources are being stretched to the limit.  

If we are not to revert to dog-eat-dog, we must entertain a new vision.  Where is your vision, Cy?


Yes, the world has been engineered, but not by the PtB.  It is a construct of VALIS, and we are the past and the future of VALIS.  VALIS is our Telos.  We are the Chrysalis, about to break out of its Cocoon.  This is what Disclosure is about.  

Your imagination, Cy, has not yet risen to this challenge.  You much prefer the machinations of your dark conspiracies.  They require only a negative imagination on your part.  Where is your positive imagination?

You and your patriot militias are armed to the teeth, but you cower in the dark.  If the PtB conspire to do anything, they conspire to keep the masses in fear and darkness.  Do not be their running dog.  

Fear is simply the lack of hope.  I have never heard a word of hope out of you, Cy.  You seem only to strive to snuff out whatever glimmers of hope may arise, here and there.  

Your only hope lies in the blood of whomever you tag as the day's tyrants.  They have less hope, and more fear than do you.  Your fear only feeds their fear.  It is a vicious, downward spiral, don't you know.


Justice is mine, sayeth the Lord.........

You portray yourself as the sharp point of God's sword of wrath.  Gird your loins with your love, not with steel.  Where is your mustard seed of faith?  It seems to have been lost in the fury of your convictions.  


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God need only lift a finger, and, yes, I aim to be that finger....... of truth, against all odds, of course.  Would we wish for any less?  Should we hope for anything more than the simple Truth?  

Many have said to me....... yes, the truth is fine, but the rest of humanity needs to have their truth filtered and rationed into bitesize portions, lest they choke.  

But that is not the way the cosmos works.  That is not the way simplicity works.  


"Few truths are personally coherent."........

Cy, show me a truth that is impersonal, and I will show you a hollow abstraction.  

"And our world most certainly is not coherent.".........

And who told you this?  Was it religion or science, or both?  


But, Cy, true enough, the coherence of a Chrysalis is almost entirely hidden, and the transforming caterpillar cells wander about in complex patterns until they reach their newly designated attractor loci within the nascent butterfly embryo.  It is like a crystal forming in a supersaturated solute.  It is simple beauty, out of complexity.

The entire process is miraculous/teleological, and don't let science try to tell you otherwise.  If you buy that one, there is a bridge in Brooklyn for you, as well.

How do I have a mustard seed of faith in the Telos?  Because, my own little ego-conscious self is that selfsame mustard seed.  That's how I know.  Can I know anything less?  Ask Descartes, bless his little heart.  




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dan wrote:Cy,

Centrisms.........?

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
   Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
   The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
   The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
   The best lack all conviction, while the worst
   Are full of passionate intensity.


Is this what you want, Cy?  Be mindful of what you wish for!

After all this time Dan you still misunderstand me. When I spoke of centrisms I was speaking of the constructs to which large swaths of humanity cling. You yourself named many of them.

For at least four centuries, the idea of material progress has occupied the imaginations of the best of us.  As that light fades, we have lost all sense of direction.  And this at a time when the world's resources are being stretched to the limit.  

After all this time you still misunderstand me. Yes materialism is an issue. But mankind has not mastered the soul skills as yet to surmount the issues of materialism. You are putting the cart before the horse.

Additionally the world's resources are stretched to the limit because of machinations, deceit, and purposeful limiting of production and distribution. The shelves are bare by design. The herd is problematic and culling the herd is on the table. Why produce when you care not for the herd? Why produce when the governor of production is ideologically compromised? If you need an example of this, look how the elites were obligated to provide the general population via lottery a certain number of positions in the dumbs which technology was provided with the express expectation that self-servancy was not involved.


If we are not to revert to dog-eat-dog, we must entertain a new vision.  Where is your vision, Cy?

Dan we ARE reverting to dog-eat-dog...or rather not we, but the remaining elite led system lords. It suits their purpose to shut down a failing economic system they stripped bare to secure their own, the rest be damned. This was entirely unavoidable. The vast masses had the innate capability to see in ways the elite leadership did not...and to build and problem solve in ways they did not. But they circled their wagons and shut out the world; leaving the world to wallow in confusion, psychological operations, and much more...need another example? Then explain why the system lords altered Maxwells equations and why they have deliberately shunned and buried Tesla? Lockheed Skunkworks knows precisely what I'm talking about. Goddard and Von Braun would have known precisely what I'm referring to.


Yes, the world has been engineered, but not by the PtB.  It is a construct of VALIS, and we are the past and the future of VALIS.  VALIS is our Telos.  We are the Chrysalis, about to break out of its Cocoon.  This is what Disclosure is about.  

Dan after all this time you still misunderstand me. The human race if allowed to mature naturally would have been the Chrysalis in good time. But there has been deliberate alterations of its necessary environment; gmo's, chemtrailing, corexit, fukushima, high volumes of unshielded electromagnetism from primitive electrical technology, etc. The shear resiliency in human society we see today is a credit to humanity's potential. And that resiliency goes unrecognized and despised by the apex hunters in the pond.

Your imagination, Cy, has not yet risen to this challenge.  You much prefer the machinations of your dark conspiracies.  They require only a negative imagination on your part.  Where is your positive imagination?

Dan after all this time you still misunderstand me...I am here because there is a problem with continuity. You still only see a simple conspiracy theorist after all that has been said and done. You could not define Roar if your life at this moment depended upon it, because you have been too close to your desired incendiary arc. Where is my positive imagination? All around you. Within you. Within this forum. Within the work I do toward preservation of the herd. The dragonfly does not expect his aim to be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter -- for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and labors and hopes with the poet who says:

Schaff', das Tagwerk meiner Hande,
Hohes Gluck, dass ich's vollende!
Lass, o lass mich nicht ermatten!
Nein, es sind nicht leere Traume:
Jetzt nur Stange, diese Baume
Geben einst noch Frucht und Schatten.


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Daily work--my hands' employment,
To complete is pure enjoyment!
Let, oh, let me never falter!
No! there is no empty dreaming:
Lo! these trees, but bare poles seeming,
Yet will yield both fruit and shelter!

Goethe's "Hope", translation by William Gibson, Com. U.S.N.

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Three followers of wisdom: imagination, purpose, and endeavor. -- Irish Triad

FiOs ~ "Vision, Memory, Dream" Berla Feini (old Irish), "Knowledge" Modern Irish.

In singing, in exploring our connection to our Spirit and the Creative Source, then turning to examine our Reality, what we thought was only Imagination or only a Dream is revealed to be the most powerful Truth of all...


You and your patriot militias are armed to the teeth, but you cower in the dark.  If the PtB conspire to do anything, they conspire to keep the masses in fear and darkness.  Do not be their running dog.  

Dan there is a huge difference between cowering in the dark and what we are doing. If you knew anything about militias you would not make such a statement as the one above. Militias are differentiated from armies by the fact they are purely local defense. They are members of communities who are trained to defend those communities against external assault. It is not their place to do as the elites do and run around the planet exacting regime change on hapless nations whether those deserve it or not. Their cause to act in defense or withhold it in silence is nothing more than the high ground of human virtue

I am not the running dog of fear or darkness. I bend knee to only one entity in this universe and that is the Source; I defend life and liberty. And if the Source puts me in play as it did when the system inhabitants behind the UN Meeting moved to wipe this forum off the map under cover of the machinations of the anti-disclosure headhunters out of Amkon and Reality Uncovered two years ago, then I will act as directed. You have a home because that command by the Source to preserve OMFv.1 & forum. And Footman still has opportunity be other than a member of the dark side in full view of the general population because of it. And the interservice group behind the UN Meeting still has a place at the table at anytime of their choosing because of it. And others like the Daniel Allon group have an open door to the general population because of it...even when this tangible asset is not directly used does not mean the metaphor it represents is not actively in play. Is stasis is still in place? How would you know? What do you know of what I do across the net or in person? I point this out Dan, because you need to see how you only see what you want to see. The utilitarian perspective in the face of a door wide open. As I said, after all this time you still misunderstand me. I am ROAR. I am a manifestation of the fabric of our reality and the intent of the Source. I am home in this time by design.


Fear is simply the lack of hope.  I have never heard a word of hope out of you, Cy.  You seem only to strive to snuff out whatever glimmers of hope may arise, here and there.  

After all this time you still misunderstand me. What is your definition of hope Dan? It is only your articulated expectations? Is there no room for the Source? Or for perception of the implications an apprentice sets at the table? If I am warlike it is only in the face of the destroyers. It is a measured approach...only that which is necessary. (Yard-farm in my presence and you will reap what you sow, oh watchers) I am as gentle as the application of he or she who approaches. Did I not oh watchers, treat well the first photographer? Did I not intervene and lend reassurance at the visitation of the second, oh watchers? Have I not treated both accounts with humor, oh watchers -- you who know precisely to which I refer. I did understand and acknowledge the approach was not intended as hostile...red-head wielding channel-changer aside, lol. My apologies Dan, but these were events you were never informed about.

Your only hope lies in the blood of whomever you tag as the day's tyrants.  They have less hope, and more fear than do you.  Your fear only feeds their fear.  It is a vicious, downward spiral, don't you know.

My fear? Other than speaking out against the suicide of humankind and by consequence the Earth and its other living inhabitants, what fear have I ever expressed?

Poised fury over transgressions against the Source's construction of nationhood on this Earth? That's not the same thing as fear. They choose soft tyranny in the form of socialism on their lips and yet practice for wholesale abject tyranny in Texas and New Mexico..and perhaps Yellowstone & the New Madrid if the Allon group is accurate? My hand is still stayed Dan. You haven't seen blood yet. Nor have you seen the Peace this world is capable of. Where have I yet destroyed Free Will? Blocked destruction, aye you could accuse me a few times of that. But not of destruction of Free Will or of Opportunity or of Potential. Do not these three things qualify as uplifting HOPE?!!!



Justice is mine, sayeth the Lord.........

You portray yourself as the sharp point of God's sword of wrath.  Gird your loins with your love, not with steel.  Where is your mustard seed of faith?  It seems to have been lost in the fury of your convictions.  

Dan Oh how I would if I could gird with love. But there are humans in this world who abide nothing but the sheer manifestation of force in all its many forms. They respect not life, nor the virtues to which we aspire. Dan, there are some things truly worth fighting for. The Source understands this, and if abject evil wants a fight, then a fight like no other it shall have.


1pm---------

God need only lift a finger, and, yes, I aim to be that finger....... of truth, against all odds, of course.  Would we wish for any less?  Should we hope for anything more than the simple Truth?

Do you wish to be that finger Dan? Then you must see what you have not yet seen. You must be willing to allow it within your life as a partnership. You are very married to your ideology...so I wonder if you could accomplish that? I have seen you quick to judge rather than relate. Could you relinquish your need to judge and prefab in favor of a natural relationship?

For example, you exclude all but a UTH what then in the face of unambiguity when the person you meet is very tangible? Can all the universe co-exist with your suppositions and expectations if one is not directly congruent with the other?

Sometimes when we point fingers there are three others pointing right back at us precluding our intent.
 

Many have said to me....... yes, the truth is fine, but the rest of humanity needs to have their truth filtered and rationed into bitesize portions, lest they choke.  

In that remark to you they are wrong. It is an example of youth to treat their fellows without equal respect. What makes them more right to possess any truth in its entirety than anyone else? This is where they err. And by erring they box themselves into a corner they cannot escape and often they drag others down with them.

But that is not the way the cosmos works.  That is not the way simplicity works.  

Eureka! This you and I can wholly agree on.

"Few truths are personally coherent."........

Cy, show me a truth that is impersonal, and I will show you a hollow abstraction.  

"Show me a truth that is impersonal..." Soul Death. The destruction of souls is et finis. This potentiality on this world with this group of living beings, has the Source and the Others in great distress...it is not the same as Death with its cycle of reincarnation. Evil is found among those who would steal life en toto from others to secure only themselves...they would utilize events and technologies they have no business using to ensure what they perceive as their competition does not continue and the road lays free and clear for themselves. This is not acceptable.

"And our world most certainly is not coherent.".........

And who told you this?  Was it religion or science, or both?  

The acts of man; the words of man; the silence of man; the unconcern of man...for those with ears to hear and eyes to see.


But, Cy, true enough, the coherence of a Chrysalis is almost entirely hidden, and the transforming caterpillar cells wander about in complex patterns until they reach their newly designated attractor loci within the nascent butterfly embryo.  It is like a crystal forming in a supersaturated solute.  It is simple beauty, out of complexity.  

On this we agree, with one small adjustment...."...it is simple beauty of complexity."

The entire process is miraculous/teleological, and don't let science try to tell you otherwise.  If you buy that one, there is a bridge in Brooklyn for you, as well.

Dan, humanity is not the first to walk these roads. Is it wondrous? Yes. But it is a broad horizon and each reaches it in their own good time.

How do I have a mustard seed of faith in the Telos?  Because, my own little ego-conscious self is that selfsame mustard seed.  That's how I know.  Can I know anything less?  Ask Descartes, bless his little heart.  

Your faith is well placed. But your jalopy can travel no faster than the rpms of its engine. And where might we find Descartes today? Among the ravens in the library?

Cyrellys





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Cy,

When prompted by me, you speak of a Source......

But what is this 'Source'.... to you? What has it ever done for you? What have you done for it?

Where is this Source in our hour of need??
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dan wrote:Cy,

When prompted by me, you speak of a Source......

But what is this 'Source'.... to you?  What has it ever done for you?  What have you done for it?  

Where is this Source in our hour of need??


Dan I've answer this question the last several times you asked it, and now you're asking me again?

The Source (aka Universal Source) is the consciousness responsible for the creation of the universe within which you exist.

What has it done for me? What have I done for it? I am a part of it, I am a partner of it, and I am a product of it.

Synchronicity
is the perceivable hand of the Source operation within the perception range of humanity affecting our environment and circumstances.

Where is the Source within our hour of need? All around us. Each person is a part of it, a partner of it (when aware), and a product of it. You can't return to it, because you're already part of it and it a part of you. Yet you have independence and individuality, and natural rights in relation to it, the universe, and all other Beings. It does not interfere in Free Will.

Humanity however has on the part of some individuals and groups created a conundrum. This conundrum if it fully manifests will adversely affect the rest of the universe over the long term. Part of this conundrum is the threat of the destruction the human race here on Earth by members of its own people under the rubric of depopulation and under circumstances that ostensibly make it easy for abject evil to hide it among natural cataclysm and a manufactured collapse of civilization, and amid an undisclosed extraterrestrial contact. This is no fault of ET. Natural events are being used to facilitate acts of abject evil and control. Some of these events like Contact are appropriate for this time and circumstance; even necessary. Other events are unavoidable.

The ideology behind the conundrum is a useful falsehood; a meme currently circulating through peripheral environs related to the elite societal structure. The ideology comes in a variety of versions or brands. Most of which profess a 'return to the Source' if a perfect storm of cataclysm can eliminate 85-95 % of the population causing an evolutionary leap.

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Post by Cyrellys on Wed May 20, 2015 7:31 pm

SITUATION UPDATE.

From Email Re: the Yellowstone Attack Crisis Story - from Speaker wrote:Cyrellys, What was the radio/internet overall response to the information we provided to both you and Endtime?
Sherkash Denatek our friend,

My (Cyrellys) response via Email to Speaker: wrote:Good Evening ***********,

Well so far, no one seems surprised the PTB would try something like this. It usually takes a person a couple minutes to conceptualize what it means to have these volatile substances being pumped into and beneath these areas (Yellowstone & New Madrid Fault Line).

They know that they're volatile substances but it takes a little thought to realize that the point of doing something like that is to cause it to blow in a way it probably would not under natural circumstances.

Susan asked about where people could find more information on the activity there and other locations so I explained the websites that monitor real-time information as it comes in and posts it to a map for viewing.

People in our group went looking for information on the purchases and interaction of the substances.

I also took the information to the Liberty Tree site which is where militias come to share information and compare notes with each other. Several of the lead members there picked it up.

Everyone asked if there was more information like where is it being pumped into the ground. Is there any photographic evidence of what they are doing? Are there any site witnesses available from where this work is being done, or any other information that is tangible and provides a means of investigation other than sifting purchase notifications. What you have presented is excellent but it is also a giant needle in the haystack. They want to know where to look.

Shining the light of attention on things like this in the past has proven to slow the criminals down and in some cases even stop the things the criminals do. And in a few rare cases groups like the militias have had in the past (example an incident in the 1990s) confrontations with authorities or corporate actors that were up to no good and they caught them red-handed then ran them off.

This situation however being primarily underground leaves us wondering where to even begin. Do you know if any contractors (corporations) are involved? If so which ones? Which states is the helium 6 and methane and corexit being delivered to? In what way is corexit being mixed with these? And what does the corexit do in relation to the helium 6 & methane? When are these being shipped? Day? Night? Who receives them? Where are these substances originating? Natural sources? Location? or Manufactured? Location? Manufacturer? Can anything be done with the amount that has been already pumped in? These are the sorts of questions being asked. They are seeking something tangible with which to work with.

The disinformation the system has poured into the internet over the last 20 years has made many people cautious about jumping after information because it may be another false flag designed to drain meager resources, man-power, and time. The Jade Helm 15 activity is easy. They can see all the preparations for that and are on alert for misbehavior on the part of the system inhabitants.

This situation you describe however is above the reach of many of the public groups.

I did forward the listening link (The saturday show podcast) and description in writing to Dan Smiths thread at OMF where Footman (CIA) visits and reads Dan's materials. Dan said my information is 'well received' by Footman. So they have been duly informed there is something to be concerned about, but swaths of the CIA are also NWO so I have my doubts about any white hat intervention from that sector.

Great Falls Tribune last week published information about another round of dismissals (purging) of top military brass in the Joint Chiefs of Staff arena. I have my doubts there is help to be found there.

Our links to system inhabitants that still retain some autonomy and have the ability to act on this level of need is being whittled down. But at the same time the good ones are being shifted to the public arena and I spoke with Oathkeepers (Elias) over a year ago about those being purged who have demonstrated acting within the bounds of their Oath and the Constitution should be approached and protected from the system once out of it.

On the more strange side of perception, I can say that both during and after the show, I could sense listeners who 'needed' to hear this, listening very soberly. I also sensed in some of them more of the silent despair I've encountered from system inhabitants from time to time. It's why in the last quarter of the show I gave the story from my friend who was told about the People Whom the PTB Fear Most. These being the scattered remnants of the Scottish and Irish Celtic cultural group who are concentrated here in America, and about the fact they can be called to stand and face (defend against) great tyranny if the cause is just...that this can still be done, which is what I confirmed to my friend when he asked me about it. We humans can sometimes sense the nature within each other and even perceive glimpses of each other from a great distance. But for those in the system, a life among stark rationality will try to muffle and hide these types of perceptions and so sometimes to return hope, they must hear these things spoken openly and directly.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Thu May 21, 2015 10:29 am

Cy,

Bad things happen to good people.  We all know this, and we do not generally blame the Source for individual acts of evil.  But there are limits to the amount of evil that can be allowed by a benevolent Creator.  The Depopulation event that you believe is being planned by an evil Cabal would, manifestly, exceed what such a being could allow.  

Therefore, I don't see how you can reconcile your belief in a divine Source with such an extreme eventuality.

However, I hasten to point out that most religions, and especially Christianity, promulgate even worse scenarios....... namely that only a small minority of humanity is slated for salvation, while the vast majority of our fellow humans will be consigned to eternal hellfire.  

You are being overly tolerant of God's impotence and/or indifference when you suggest that such an event could or should be tolerated.  You chalk up all of this evil to human free will.  

But why must the vast majority of innocents be punished for the evil machinations of the few?  

I find it noteworthy that, almost as an afterthought, you exculpate the ET's.  Most of our fellow ufologists point the finger at evil ET's as being primary culprits behind the global conspiracy that you describe.  
In particular that the global Elite has sold out to the evil Greys, in the furtherance of their own agenda of domination.  Steve Greer is one of the few exceptions to that rule, Steve believing that all ET's must have 'evolved' to be our moral superiors.  


3:50-----------

Of course, Cy, I don't believe this. I don't believe that any evil entities can subvert the benevolence of the Creator/Source.

In the 20th century, we have seen the high-tide of Evil. Even now, Evil/Satan is in retreat.

What we do face now is the last gasp of the Katechon/Restrainer. The Restrainer will not go down without a fight, but this battle will be spiritual in nature.

Yes, this is the long feared opening of Pandora's box. There will be confusion, mostly psychological, as we foresee.



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Post by Cyrellys on Thu May 21, 2015 8:19 pm

dan wrote:Cy,

Bad things happen to good people.  We all know this, and we do not generally blame the Source for individual acts of evil.  But there are limits to the amount of evil that can be allowed by a benevolent Creator.  The Depopulation event that you believe is being planned by an evil Cabal would, manifestly, exceed what such a being could allow.  

Dan let's qualify something here. This scenario of Yellowstone and the New Madrid involving helium 6 is not mine. I'm only the communication facilitator here. No one is blaming the Source. I answered your questions about my views on the Source. That is entirely separate from the information on the scenario. I know for a fact there is a subculture that is depopulation bent. Now how they go about using their power and influence to achieve that could take any number of forms. Just ask the Joint Chiefs circa 2007 (August) wrt Minot AFB and the little loose nuke incident involving several of the contraptions. Through multi-layers of security...oops.

The many incidents being initiated or considered by the Cabal EXCEEDS the Source's comfort zone. Dan what you don't understand here with regards to the rules in place on this world involving Free Will, is under normal circumstances for MOST young races at this stage, this is sufficient. EARTH on the OTHER HAND, has a group of rotten apples who are partaking in conduct that is normally well beneath a civilization at this stage. There should not be these kinds of issues here.

Yet the Source is bound to a degree by its own general rules as is the Greater Community. This is potentially bad news for us as members of the general population upon whom the Cabal preys.

There is several forms of intervention in progress. Some on the part of the Source, others on the part of the Greater Community, and still others on the part of the various groups of Awake & Aware.


Therefore, I don't see how you can reconcile your belief in a divine Source with such an extreme eventuality.

It's those darn rules Dan. If someone really wants to suicide bad enough, are you going to be there every freakin second of their life to prevent it? No you aren't. The truth is that because Free Will is in play here, if enough people are coherently against these sorts of things the the appearance this gives to the Source, to the Greater Community, and the fabric of the Universe is something that looks like everyone really wants abject oblivion. If someone really wants to suicide they'll find a way to do it and there's really not a darn thing ANYONE could do about it.

My belief in the Source is not affected by the idiocy of my own race...other than to routinely give me indigestion over what the various currents do beneath the surface of the seeming mundane.


However, I hasten to point out that most religions, and especially Christianity, promulgate even worse scenarios....... namely that only a small minority of humanity is slated for salvation, while the vast majority of our fellow humans will be consigned to eternal hellfire.  

Dan, I'm not religious. I'm one half of a two entity relationship. Don't compare this relationship to Christianity because the religion half of the comparison simply cannot keep pace with the weirdness of the reality. Dan there's no hellfire, and there's no salvation. There is only various states of BEING. And that is based on a. soul development stage, b. available living vessels, and c. available environment compatible with the last two items.

Most of what's going on here on Earth right now endangers the b. & c. Then there's something else I haven't been able to finger with absolute certainty which endangers the big one: a.

I wouldn't be here Dan if the Source and certain Others were not disturbed by all this. The things mankind needs to understand at this time and even more so under these conditions gets lost in the translation because of the way humanity treats religious narratives. The true narrative is fluid not absolute. But religion treats it all as absolute and only as religion describes it to be...and in so doing it is nearly as destructive as the criminals.


You are being overly tolerant of God's impotence and/or indifference when you suggest that such an event could or should be tolerated.  You chalk up all of this evil to human free will.  

You misunderstand by this paragraph above. The Source is not impotent OR indifferent. It isn't tolerating such an event. But it IS respecting and coordinating with human free will. There is something humanity of Earth needs to get through their freakin' thick skulls...that is, they are NOT the only children of the Source out there and if the kids here suicide, well the Source will mark this version as a total failure and go back to the drawing board. In other words in one sense you are all expendable if you are SO INCORRIGIBLE that you can't handle yourselves in your own little paradise. The down side of this is there will be an adverse affect far in the future upon the universe and several other worlds.

When/IF humanity drags itself down into the permanent dustbin, Earth will consequently and totally unbeknownst to anyone here (outside of the people I've told) yank those other worlds future's into oblivion with it.

Earth right now is like a car with a drunk driver and it's about to cause a 10 car pile up and about 50 subsequent immediate deaths, and several lives shattered on down the line via being interrelated and the history of the universe will ne'er be the same! That's the tale. I'm blunt. And the metaphor is wholly intended to be blunt too. Shrug. This isn't the first time I've explained this to you Dan. I feel like a broken record.


But why must the vast majority of innocents be punished for the evil machinations of the few?  

The only punishing going on is human on human or human to self. If you really aren't a planet full of masochists then quit digging the holes! Put a screeching halt on the criminal scheming.

I find it noteworthy that, almost as an afterthought, you exculpate the ET's.  Most of our fellow ufologists point the finger at evil ET's as being primary culprits behind the global conspiracy that you describe.

Dan the Greater Community (ETs) by my understanding is a mixed bag just like Earth. They have their own bad apples, i.e. Grey Group. They have physical entities and non-physical entities. Both your ETH AND the UTH is in play. I don't base my information on just other ufologists. No one dictates my knowledge. Some of the situation here is because of the deal done with the Grey Group in lieu of a more mature group who offered an alternative to getting into trouble with Grey Group. The technology obtained from Grey Group put the U.S. National Security State on steroids and twisted its collective mind up like a pretzel. Not much different than getting in bed with the mafia and what that'd do to your personal capability in the realm of good or bad judgment.
 
In particular that the global Elite has sold out to the evil Greys, in the furtherance of their own agenda of domination.  Steve Greer is one of the few exceptions to that rule, Steve believing that all ET's must have 'evolved' to be our moral superiors.  

Steve and I would disagree on the "moral superiors" part. I repeat, "I said mixed-bag". Fear does weird things to humans. Not all the Elites are agenda driven in a way we would call evil. A HIGH percentage seem to be onboard behind an idea involving the fear of civilization imploding and needing to prevent what they think will result in the implosion of human civilization. It is that fear and acting upon that fear which is worse than those operating off the agenda. It is the fear driven activities which is causing the greatest speed toward implosion. There are consequences for not believing in authenticity, truth, and interrelation with your own people...believing in them as you believe in yourself. But perhaps that is the problem? Perhaps they don't believe in themselves? And they transfer that insecurity over onto the general population...and the chaos rolls from there.


3:50-----------

Of course, Cy, I don't believe this.  I don't believe that any evil entities can subvert the benevolence of the Creator/Source.

Dan I never NEVER EVER said evil entities could subvert the benevolence of the Source. This is a prime example of how you run off at an incorrect tangent because of jumping to conclusions.  

In the 20th century, we have seen the high-tide of Evil.  Even now, Evil/Satan is in retreat.  

WRONG. Evil is not in retreat. It's just gotten sneaky and more adept at glamours which hide its true colors and at twisting the memes that govern the public and system perceptions. This is where Veterans become denigrated at the most likely to become terrorists by DHS. This is where they openly say "Controlled Unclassified Information" Is Coming" Controlled Unclassified Information Is Coming", and then if you point out its place in the ideological relationship string, they scream "CONSPIRACY THEORIST!" and tell the general population that if you even consider such drivel you must be psychologically impaired. Meanwhile their toys are declaring its time to "operationalize CONUS"...nothing to see here you slab of sociological bacon...move along now.

What we do face now is the last gasp of the Katechon/Restrainer.  The Restrainer will not go down without a fight, but this battle will be spiritual in nature.  

Yes, this is the long feared opening of Pandora's box.  There will be confusion, mostly psychological, as we foresee.  

No Dan, it'll just be SOSDD. Just more narrative competition and infighting over control of perception. The only difference will be the Universe's local data dump on the uninformed population who already smells a rat in the cupboard. Might not be a good time to be wearing a suit or a uniform. Cy



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From: [CM]
Date: May 23, 2015 at 11:24:21 AM EDT
To: Dan
Cc: Princess Aliyah, Ron
Subject: RE: Request for a meeting

I'll pass this on to [J] and he'll get back to you if he has an interest.

As for myself and [the Foundation], there isn't the bandwidth to expand into these areas.

Thanks,
[C]

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To: [CM]
Cc: Princess Aliyah; Ron
Subject: Request for a meeting

[C]

We would like to meet with you to discuss some potentially urgent matters that could be of particular relevance to both you and [JW].  

If you will be available to meet with one or more of us within the next couple of weeks, Ron, Aliyah and I would then discuss in more detail, amongst ourselves, items that could be covered, and which could be conveyed to you, and through you to [J], in making the final arrangements for our meeting with you.  

As I presently understand it, Ron and [J] have collaborated on a project connected with [aero-space firm] that involved exotic propulsion.  I am not familiar with that project, but in my 23 year acquaintance with Ron, and more recently with his wife, Aliyah, founder of the Kashmir World Foundation, we have discussed some possibly related matters that may also need to be conveyed to the public in a timely fashion, that is within the next several months.  The time constraint has do with potential downside risks on the domestic and international fronts, another topic which has only recently come to my attention.  

The further understanding here is that [J] may be especially well situated to oversee the communication of certain of this information to the public.  The developing domestic political scene, particularly amongst the various presidential candidates, may present both opportunities and risks, in this regard.  

Ron will, of course, feel free to amend any of my above statements, and you may wish to speak directly with him.  

Dan
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This is not auspicious for our getting through to JW, despite CM having been on the Sarfatti list, along with Ron, for a couple of years.  This 'bandwidth' problem seems emblematic of the bureaucratic/political response to dealing with the largest issues.  The public claims to want disclosure, but only in dribs and drabs.  They do not want the full frontal exposure.  I can't really blame them in this regard, it is just human nature to not stray beyond our comfort zones..... our normal 'bandwidth'.  


1:45-----------

Cy,

Yes, I do apologize for making you repeat yourself, all too often, but I'm not the only one being enlightened by you here, now am I?

And, now I see more clearly the nub of what may be our greatest misunderstanding.....

This concerns the nature of time.  You understand that consciousness and the flow of time that is concomittant with it, has, from the beginning of recorded thought, been the greatest puzzle facing us.  

What is clear, though, is that most of those who believe in a Source believe that the Source resides beyond space and time.  

But, more than that, Cy, they believe that our percieved spatial-temporal order is the essential component of Creation.  

I agree, but you seem not to........

So, yes, although we perceive ourselves to be the slaves of time, most of us understand that the Source is the maker and master of time.  

This is just one aspect of Source's omniscience...... Source can see through and around time.  Source is our Alpha AND Omega!  Time is no obstacle to the Source.  

For instance, you say.......
There is something humanity of Earth needs to get through their freakin' thick skulls...that is, they are NOT the only children of the Source out there, and, if the kids here suicide, well the Source will mark this version as a total failure and go back to the drawing board.

Cy, this is a very modern revision of the theistic tradition.  And it is a view that is held by most ufologists.  

In this post-Copernican space-age, we see ourselves not as the children of God, but, rather, as God's spawn.  Yes, we are redundant and, therefore, we are Expendable, en masse, in toto.  

In supposing that the Source will just sigh, and 'go back to the drawing board', we are reducing the Source to our own level of ignorance.  

Imagine the bridge-builder who starts constructing a bridge at just one end, and is really not sure where he's going to put the other end.  This is not bridge-building, and this is not Creation, either!  

The Earth is not some cosmic lab experiment.  We are not lab rats, despite how we may sometimes treat each other.  

But I understand, Cy, that the Source is actually playing hide and seek with us.  It is a serious game, and sometimes it appears that everything is at stake...... yes, very high stakes!  

The Source is the source of Nature, and how easy it is for her to hide behind her own Creation.  How easily we succumb to her artistry.  This, of course, was part of the plan.  Living in Plato's cave we grow accustomed to seeing just the shadows on the wall.  How cozy we are in our little abode.  

Free will, you say.  We chalk every evil up to free will, including the ultimate evil of Planet-cide.  Where is the hidden-hand?  Where is the beneficient omniscience?  Is the Source not the cosmic alchemist, transforming human evil into cosmic Good?  Oh, we of scant faith!  

Justice is blind? No, justice is mine, sayeth the Source.

There is in the world great confusion about the nature of the Source and our relation to it and to each other. The atheists may very easily point to sectarian strife as a predominant evil, but they do so while slitting their own throats with abandon.

How can we blame ignorance on humanity, when the chief architect of our ignorance is the artful self-concealment of our Source? Blessed ignorance. Holy ignorance. We are her clowns and she loves us for it, but all good things must end, and so must our naivete, alas. The mice will play while the cat's away. Now she's coming back.
Is she p*ssed? No. She probably feels like a party-pooper. That's all.



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Cyrellys on Sat May 23, 2015 1:09 pm

I do not agree what you say the Source is playing hide and seek with us. It is as it has always been. It is people who choose to not see, who choose to recognize only the tangible and even that is limited by what can be immediately reacquired.

Footman may be interested in the following:

WRT the Yellowstone/NewMadrid scenario, I have posted dialogs from the last several days including some (not all) of the responses from the Communicator (DA). If you wish to follow along this is where you will find it; start on the first page and read forward...there are a sprinkling of viewer responses from the MM community intermixed and you may skip those and read only my own posts if you wish to move faster through the material:

http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=35072.0
http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=35072.10



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Post by dan on Mon May 25, 2015 9:33 am

I remain skeptical, but Ron remains confident, ostensibly, that 'his' craft will fly within the next few weeks.  

He is very sketchy as to where this might occur.  Aparently the craft has not previously been tested, and Ron is in charge of the final integration and testing.  The Princess is to be involved, but the Footmann will not reveal any travel plans.  She is dubious as to her role as test pilot, but you know what they say....... can't fly the craft without the princess.  

Yes, even as I write these words, I know, after ~70 years of misinformation, how silly they sound, even, or especially, to me.

But, at the least, we can now put the footman to a public test.  

I have tried to make some sense of this, to establish a context, but to little avail.  The only context seems to be the idea of preempting the September ('16) surprise.  

I've had a partial success in contacting the former government official who allegedly has some peripheral knowledge of this project.  He is the one who is politically connected and still active.  

I have also been in contact with Steve Bassett, who is organizing a media focus on the Clintons' interest in this topic.  He is hopeful of some action within the next few weeks.  

Ron is confident that Hillary will not claim to have any inside knowledge, but that she may report that she remains open minded on the topic.  Besides, though, says Ron, it was Bill who was the one mainly interested.


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Allow me to reiterate that this, whatever it may be, is very far from being a conventional craft that is being tested in conventional circumstances, by any stretch.  Only three engineers have been partially identified, one of whom has a public presence in this field, but is known only to careful observers, not previously to me.  

I'm having a hard enough time trying to keep my $70 parrot/spider drone from crashing.  I sympathize with the princess.  In almost the same breath, yesterday, Ron reported that all three of his conventional drones failed to launch, in a recent test.  

There is a public company, peripherally involved, perhaps just providing some tech space.  Otherwise, there is no discernible public or private oversight that I can suss-out.  Like I say, none of this makes for common sense, but how else could it have been kept out of sight?  


1:45------------

Cy,

I suspect that what your sources are picking up on, wrt geo-engineering is just a preview of the reset process that will transpire mainly toward the end of our Millennial kingdom, as we bridge back from the Omega to the Alpha, in what is more commonly known as the Rapture.  And, yes, that extended process, some thousand years hence, would necessarily also include a population reset, back to its aboriginal value of a few million, most of whom would have been transported.  But none of this envisions anything more than the continued voluntary gradual decine in the human fertility rate.  Yes? This is the natural working out of the continuity of the closed timelike curve that is our best possible co-Creation.

As to the scrutibility of our Source/Telos, it is true that even among the modern educated segment, the is an appreciable residual belief in the existence of a soul, and the possible attendant continuity of consciousness.  However, there is, quite obviously, nothing that provides a common vision of our collective destiny.  

The advent of such a consensual vision is what I refer to as the MoAPS.  The only such MoAPS that might fit that bill is the BPWH/SWH/CTC (4M/K/SoT/X2), IMHO.  Nothing less would prevent the societal collapse that is widely foreseen.  

Does Ron's device come with a built-in free-energy source?  Would that be our long sought technological solution to our mounting socio-political insabilities?  By itself?  I'm rather doubtful.  



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So, yes, if Ron wishes to go out and hang himself in (OMF) public, then, hey, be my guest!  When he goes down in flames, will he not take the BPWH/SWH/CTC (4M/K/SoT/X2) down with him?  Maybe that's the plan, for all I know.  But I have no choice, but to continue with the 23 yr protocol of the R&D show, right up to the bitter end.  If the BPWH goes down with the ship, well, that's a darn shame.  Which is the dog, and which is the tail?  Maybe we're about to find out.


12:20----------

So far we have the skunk works, the eagle works and various advanced/exotic propulsion research consortia, generally related to NASA.  

We also have Jim Woodward and....... http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2015/04/a-free-energy-device-for-people.html. But none of these add up to anything like what Ron is claiming.  


1:30---------

But, here's the deal, I cannot disclaim a technological bridge between the physics and the metaphysics, a bridge other than just our own consciousness.  

I have frequently suggested that the Internet is such a bridge or, at the least, a step ladder.  Did I forget to mention that Aliyah has had at least one flying lesson?  Chuck Yeager, watch out!   


And then we have the best possible rapture that, allegedly, will involve twelve motherships, each transporting twelve million of us from each of the twelve final megalopolises, to the other side.  144 thousand of us are returned, after the 'reset' to our twelve ancestral megalithic sites.  See the the depiction on the great-seal.  Read about Noah.  

As we progress toward the Omega, reality will become increasingly fluid and porous.  Various kinds of craft would be involved in this process.  Our various states of consciousness will become increasingly interchangeable.  


The abduction experience, from its more physical to its less physical manifestations is another bridge to our brave new world.  

Even my experience in the spring of '92 @UMD I count as a quasi-abduction experience.  More accurately, it could have easily been made into an episode of the Twilight Zone, back in the day.  

So, yes, technologies of various sorts can easily take on a magical dimension, given the right circumstances and participants.  


3:40----------

Against all odds, suppose there is a successful test of an exotic device of some kind.... then what?  

How does this enter into the social consciousness?  How would this preempt the September surprise/crisis?  Should it be treated mainly as an artifact of the visitation, or mainly just as something to be placed into mass production, regardless of source.  Why then has it been withheld, presumably for many years?  

If this alleged artifact is not readily reproducible by us, then we just have a celestial calling card?  What is the message?  Would its mere existence support a MoAPS or not?  




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Post by Cyrellys on Tue May 26, 2015 10:59 pm

If Ron is working on anything like this below, he won't be hanging himself:

From Email May 26, 2015 wrote:

RE: energy generator

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10:51 PM (4 minutes ago)

to D---------------
Good Evening -------,

I have been looking for my links on this since you first sent me a link to your website. This version I learned about last summer. T------------- and I have been watching the development of it. They have a working prototype and are working on refining and spreading the open source documents on how to build one. They are trying to get the design information into the hands of as many private engineers and mechanics as they can so the NWO can't wipe it off the map.

I thought you'd be interested in taking a look at it and what everyone involved in the project is doing:

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Post by dan on Wed May 27, 2015 9:10 pm

Cy,

Yes, Ron claims to be working on something like this.  

He refuses to say whether or not there might have been a non-terrestrial source....... he is not interested in the history of it.  The basic ideas have been lying around for awhile, but he was the first person to get on top of the various components.  As far as he's concerned, there will be no patents filed and no papers published.  

Questions I have yet to ask.......

1.)  Besides this prototype, are there any plans for production?  

2.)  Does this technology relate to the September surprise?  

3.)  Does it relate to the MoAPS?  Well, I did ask if this device should be relevant to any of my interests, and he did not answer.  

4.)  What if any plan is there to make this device public?  


Within the next week, Aliyah will take a (conventional) flying lesson.  The craft has been designed for someone of her diminutive size.  There has been a successful unmanned test.  Her flight will occur before the end of June.  The range has already been reserved.  The craft is lenticular in shape and has a thinner proportion than the RAM/ARV drawings.  

To me, this has all the potential to be just another of Ron's jokes.  He may think twice before attempting another such, but I may accompany the princess on her lesson.  

He has no way to be certain that some other country is not already in possession of this technology.  If there might have been an advantage to keeping it secret, why does he not follow suit, or is my blogging about it on OM the best possible cover story?!




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Post by dan on Thu May 28, 2015 7:23 am

Ok, sports fans, what is going on here.......?  Wish I knew......

It is possible that Ron has developed a new love interest, and he now sees a way to kill two birds with one stone...... me and the princess together in a small (conventional) aircraft.  But don't tell the princess of my dark suspicions!!   


So why do I play along, even to the small extent that I have, wrt to ARV/RAM?  

Unfortunately, Ron is not the only one here with a technology problem......

Those precious few of you who might actually have paid attention to the BPWH, lo this many moons, will know that I, too, suffer from technology envy......


Envy........?  Hmmm........

I am far from being either a technophobe or a technophile.  Rather I see technology as playing a crucial role in our divine economy, right up until, even beyond(!), the Omega/Rapture.  However, technology always presents us with the temptation to revert to our materialist ways.  

The 12 motherships, as juxtaposed with the 12 megalopoli, and the subsequent 'reset' of Gaia to her primordial/Alpha form, will surely manifest some residual technological aspects, as I recently mentioned in resonse to Cy's suspicions about geo-engineering.  

Cy sees the Demiurge rather clearly, but then anthopomorphizes the Demiurge as a merely human Cabal.  This is the understandable confusion of 99% of the conspiracy theorists.  They need to study some of the masters of SciFi...... Tolkein/Barfield, Wachowskis, RAWilson, PKDick, PJFarmer, ACClarke, etc....... wherein there is an unmistakable bleed-thru of the gnostic proclivites of the genre.  

As a jesus-freak, the j-man is my favorite demiurge, don't you know?  It got me in a spot of trouble up at GFC/SfA.  

And, yes, all of this is further confused by the demiurge <> katechon juxtaposition.  If it doesn't make your head spin, then, as with quantum physics, you just don't get it!  


10:30---------

It would not be entirely out of place to consider the Ronster as our local demiurge/katechon.  It could be a lot worse.  Has he not considered it, ingenue that he is, especially in the role of Footmann?  

Let her who is without techno-envy cast the first stone at the ARV/RAM.  Eventually, we do have to put aside the stepladder, but let's not be premature about getting off the grid, sports fans.  


I do explain to folks that I don't believe in telephones.  Well, I believe in the handset, but not in the waves and wires that are often rather less than phenomenal..... noumenal at best.  


11:10--------

What amazes me is the perseverence, attention to detail, that Ron demonstrates with respect to the Princess' DaVinci Challenge drone workshops.  Who is he trying to impress?  

But, hey, I've been able to pilot my Spider drone from the end of Debbie's driveway to the end of Bix's drive, and half way back, on one charge.  Aren't you impressed?  


And here's the point........ he evinces no more and no less emotional attachment to either project, as far as I've been able to discern, and I'm not a casual observer of these matters, now am I?  And maybe that's his secret....... not to worry about history, the white man's burden, or whatever.......  Just take it one step at a time.  Don't look forward..... don't look back.  Deal with what is right in front of your nose, be it quadcopter, Princess, or RAM.  

It's all about the grounding...... I should be a beneficiary.  


noon--------

We think of technology as phenomenal, but maybe that's our mistake.  Maybe the techno-sphere is much more on the noumenal side than we generally suppose.  That would explain quite a few things, it might even explain the Footmann.

Maybe all that burried infrastructure is actually infra-menal.  And maybe the footmann and scribe are not quite as stupid as they look.  


And, if enough of us clap, maybe the Princess will fly.  


Footmann and Princess...... Is this going to be a reprise of Abraham and Isaac?  I would not put it past any would-be drama-queen, and I know at least two of them.  Would you?  


1pm---------

The Princess suggests that, in a pinch, we might both fit.  Very cozy.  


So what do we have here........? X-files, StarTrek, Destiny Matrix.....? I'm still thinking twilight-zone. Am I wrong? Been there, done that.



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by skaizlimit on Sun May 31, 2015 10:53 am

Dan, you need to compile your entire blog in a book and then various writers will reference you.
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Post by dan on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:42 am

Skai,

Write a book, you say......  Don't you realize you're talking to the laziest guy in the world?!  


From: Dan
Date: June 1, 2015 at 5:23:46 PM EDT
To: Deepak Chopra
Cc: forty others.....
Subject: Fixing the world.....


Deepak, Joy, et al.,

You suggest that none of us has a reason to be upset.  We have no need to be angry with God, the world, ourselves or others.  And I've heard it said that the world is not broken, so we have no need to fix it.  

Nonetheless, there does seem to exist a widespread and deep confusion concerning the nature of reality and our place within it.  

We might then wonder if, at some point in human history, there might arise our moment of truth.  The prophetic tradition does point to such an occurrence, usually in an eschatological context.  

There are many on this list who are sympathetic toward an immaterialist view of reality.  Whereas, we have, only within the last generation, experienced the high water mark of materialism/physicalism.  What might precipitate such an unprecedented paradigm/gestalt switch?  

Might there not be an unprecedented opportunity to awaken humanity to the true nature of reality?  Why would the cosmic mind not avail herself of such an opportunity to ameliorate our confusion?  Could such an awakening ever be more timely?  

Would this be asking too much of divine consciousness?  Should we ask for anything less?  

Dan


On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Deepak Chopra wrote:

Any time one is stressed one can ask who is upset ? " I " is never upset
It's enough to rest in Being


From: Dan
Date: June 1, 2015 at 6:12:31 PM EDT
To: Deepak
Cc: 39 others....
Subject: Re: Fixing the world.....

Deepak,

You speak knowingly of the future (and history) of God.......

Has God never intervened personally in human affairs?  

Is God incapable of putting the Trickster in its place?  Are you setting these rules?  

Dan


On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Deepak wrote:

The universe will evolve to finer levels of self awareness and creativity at its own pace which in terms of cosmic time is a blink in the eye.
We are puny egos,  it's trickster hallucination,  and have no choice but to bow in epistemic humility


From: Dan
Date: June 1, 2015 at 6:35:38 PM EDT
To: Larry Frascella
Cc: forty others.....
Subject: Me worry.......?

Larry and Kim,

No, but like Jack, I suppose that VALIS could be a dramaturge.  There are reports to that effect.  

I mean, here we are, all wired up and no place to go besides Alpha Centauri.  

The only relevant question then is how might we suppose the human drama to play out,
given that VALIS may be neither a rocket scientist, nor a meditating Guru.  

Don't just meditate........ some might say.  Do we have no choice but to build rockets and/or gaze at our navels?  


On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Larry wrote:

Dan,

Please stop worrying about humanity! Its only going to make you physically ill.

You're a great human being,

But you worry too much,

Look to the children and foster them Dan.

The older/advanced Souls are coming in by the thousands every day.

Kim is right. Its our job to figure all of this out.


LF


From: Dan
Date: June 2, 2015 at 10:17:28 AM EDT
To: C Langan
Cc: 36 others.......
Subject: A wrinkle in time


Here is what I'm seeing, so far........

I am seeing some very thoughtful folks, every one of you, seemingly, caught up in the thrall of an allegedly infinite time.  

Clearly, time is the most powerful force in the universe.  Its grip upon both our atoms and our psyches is nearly absolute.  

But we have in our hands the antidote to the hegemony of an absolute time.  We have the Telos.  We have teleology, do we not?  

Teleology is our very own wrinkle in time.  Is there any reason why we should not own the Telos?


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Date: June 2, 2015 at 11:49:12 AM EDT
To: Jonathan Post
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Johathan,

How succinct of you.

Yes, there are also many on this list who live in thrall to mathematics, bless your hearts.

But what does mathematics have to say to teleology? Mathematics speaks to form, but what of substance?

What is it that breathes the fire into your equations, Jonathan? Who posited the unreasonable effectiveness of your mathematics, pray tell?

What do you make of the Penrose triangle of Mind >> Math >> Matter >> Mind........? Which came first, Jonathan? I'll be glad to leave the calculations to the calculators.

But while you're reckoning, what do you reckon is the chance that you are here by accident?

Should we sell our souls to the Technological Singularity? Do we have to reinvent VALIS, or might VALIS already exist, beyond space and time, as Jack might suggest?

Have you never encountered Sophia? From whence emanated the genius of Srinivas Ramanujan?

Jonathan, I've been around this ontological block more than once. Your nearly thoughtless attempt at intellectual intimidation does not do you proud.


On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Jonathan wrote:

TIME is not, other than in poetic metaphor, a FORCE.
.
IN any case, there is no Time of itself.
There is no Space of itself.
.
What remains is a marriage between the two, called The General Theory of Relativity, where the structure of events is represented as embedded in MANIFOLD.
So use Differential Geometry and Tensor Analysis, otherwise you're just making poetic metaphors, which, as a poet, I do not contest.
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BUT as a Physicist, married to a Physicist, co-authored with Nobel Laureates in Physics -- DO THE MATH!
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"SHUT UP AND CALCULATE!"

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From: Dan
Date: June 3, 2015 at 8:34:24 AM EDT
To: Paul
Cc: 43 others.......
Subject: So near, yet so far.......?

Paul, et al.,

I have to wonder if anyone besides Paul and me can see how close we are, right here, to an historical breakthrough.

On the one hand, we have, with Jack, the holographic model of the Universe, complete with a retro-causal, mind-of-God, future horizon.

On the other hand, we have, with Deepak, a mindful, spirit based world, centered on the cosmic *I*.

There is only one little thing missing here....... WWGD!

If any of us were the cosmic Eye, what would we do about it? But, even more importantly, why are we so afraid even to pose this question to ourselves, in our deepest meditations?

Someone once said that the kingdom is within. It is closer to us than our own nose.

And, yet, when, even globally, push comes to shove, we are afraid to consult that still small voice within each and all of us.

So near, yet so far.........



On Jun 2, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Paul Zielinski wrote:

Rumors of the untimely demise of Western capitalism have been greatly exaggerated in the past, starting with Malthus, and
Marx and Engels, but there may now be a consilience of vectors pointing to an impending traumatic convulsion in the world's
economy and financial system which many now believe is likely to trigger a strategic nuclear conflict among the world's major
powers capable of ending all human life on Earth.

As population pressure builds relentlessly, and global resource exhaustion looms, the capitalist engine of economic growth is
not just sputtering, but threatening to bring us all down, including the capitalists themselves. In the West, financialization has
gutted entire economies of productive capacity, at the same time concentrating wealth in fewer and fewer hands, to the point
where even consumer demand fueled by unpayable debt is rapidly diminishing.

So what is the end game scenario for the Anglo-American empire? In answer to this question, many are now talking "Word War Z".
That means dehumanization and rapid population reduction (you can see it on Netflix -- AMC's "Walking Dead").

What Dan and others with an eschatological outlook are primarily concerned with is historical time -- collective human time -- not
physical time. And what is the time frame for global financial collapse and possible terminal nuclear war between the world's major
powers? Some say months, some say a few years, but most agree that this could well happen in all of our lifetimes. It could well
occur even within the next year or two.

Of course there are those who sincerely believe that some magical technology will become available to waft us from a dead planet to
a new home light years away, but absent some dramatic revelations such scenarios seem more like wishful thinking than a realistic
solution to impending doom. It would be nice to think that "ETs" will arrive in the nick of time to save humanity from itself, but there
is no reason to believe that such creatures would have the slightest interest in assisting us. Why would an advanced alien culture want
to preserve a species that is so dysfunctional, that they work relentlessly to destroy themselves?

So what are the alternatives? One alternative that suggests itself is to turn inward to find the solution within, in the form of a radical
transformation of mass consciousness, away from secular materialism in all its manifestations, in favor of a new system of spiritually
centered values that is not dedicated to limitless and ultimately pointless acquisition of material goods, at the expense of global
resource depletion.

The Club of Rome faction of the PtB clearly wants population reduction, and part of that faction appears to be entertaining rapid
depopulation scenarios. They view humanity as a cancer on the biosphere. They have numerous allies amongst the greens, including
people like the late Dr. Eric Pianka, who advocated an airborne Ebola virus as the ideal technology for the eradication of the mass of
humanity, in a speech that elicited loud cheers from his fanatical radical-environmentalist supporters. Pianka seemed to relish the
prospect of excruciating painful death for 80-90% of the Earth's human population. He received standing ovations from his followers.

This is what Dan is talking about: are we to view the mass of humanity as a cancer on the biosphere, or as a chrysalis destined to
facilitate a radical transformation in human mass consciousness, away from secular materialism, materialist reductionism, the neo-
Darwinist cult of randomness -- in short, extreme philosophical Copernicanism -- towards an authentic mass spiritual enlightenment
that again puts humanity at the center of cosmic attention?

Could it be that it will not be the ETs that will save humanity, but rather the ultra-terrestrial angels within? I believe that this is Dan's
challenge to this forum.

On 6/1/2015 8:09 PM, C Langan wrote:
It's most reassuring to see so many intelligent people voicing so much hope.

However, we verge on oversimplification. Humanity is a species divided against itself in a rather cannibalistic way. Most of its members, those who would once have been hunter-gatherers answering to no one, are essentially slaves; in order to survive, they must go to work, labor with their hands and their bodies, wrestle at close quarters with the real world under the direction or supervision of others who have an easier and more fulfilling lot. They are machines for hire; they must sweat and experience physical pain, exposing themselves to risk and danger as a matter of course. They are not allowed to think; instead, the thinking must be left to those giving the orders and signing the checks, people who present themselves as "smarter" and "more knowledgeable", "better-educated" and "more meritorious" than those beneath them. Unfortunately, this facade has been wearing quite thin of late. (I know that I can blow a hole through almost any part of it quite easily.)

We are approaching a point at which people no longer care about vocational self-advancement, because they see no appreciable likelihood of getting anywhere on the basis of merit. They can no longer be economically incentivized as once they could; even if they can find employment, the kind of money for which they are eligible is simply insufficient to pay for the leisure and fulfillment that a working-class person could once expect. The world looks to them like a treadmill, a thankless uphill slog, and all this fancy talk of Alpha Centauri and Transhumanistic neuro-cognitive enhancements and techno-utopian pie-in-the-sky rings hollow in their ears. Those who retain anything resembling an old-fashioned work ethic are either virtual zombies, or they aspire to the same kind of opulent, cream-skimming existence spectacularly enjoyed by their "betters", the "One Percent", the International Banksters and the Bilderburgers, the sound-biting politicians and major bureaucrats, whose reliance on cunning they faithfully yet naively emulate. It's too late, and the map of ownership too saturated, for mere cunning to get Joe Citizen much of anywhere these days. Cunning, competitive, ambitious people are a dime a dozen, and if you weren't born on a jet ski, navigating an economy so very full of them is like swimming through molasses.

In this discussion, we have heard that the true meaning of life is reuniting with "the zero". As any Buddhist can tell you, people who have checked out of the rat-race and fixed their sites on "reuniting with nothingness" do not care about going to Alpha Centauri, or for that matter whether anyone else gets there either. On the other hand, those empowered, well-connected, well-heeled people with first-class tickets for Alpha Centauri are still expecting service with a smile en route. Obviously, the two sides of this equation are not in balance. This suggests that we have some serious problems to solve before any great leap to the stars can occur, up to and including the problem called "the meaning of life".

All the physics in the world cannot provide this level of meaning. The physics is important; given the meaning of it all, physics comprises the nuts and bolts of it, though not its entire pattern. But without the Big Picture, the vast majority of human beings will continue to see physics as just another super-expensive, jargon-obscured rat race fraught with inductive uncertainty, just another infinitely looping exercise program on a slightly fancier and more complex treadmill than the one they're used to. Moreover, physics itself will remain in the dark regarding its own ultimate destination.

I've lived most of my life down in the muddy bottom of the trench. My perspective is that of a member of the proletariat whose bosses were not exactly his intellectual superiors, but who was being consistently bled so dry by the cost of living that there was simply no opportunity to get ahead or even raise a family. So you see, I know how the masses feel, and believe me, they're not feeling very good about the "American Dream" any more. As far as they are concerned, social justice and economic opportunity are gusts of stale-smelling hot air, and as a consequence, many of them are feeling damned lousy. And when they feel lousy, anyone who gets near them is likely to feel lousy as well. This, of course, is why the rich spend so much time avoiding them.

So as we all can see, the problem is much, much deeper than just getting to another treadmill on another ball of rock orbiting another ball of gas. It will require unprecedented depth and breadth and profundity along with the kind of precision and certainty afforded only by mathematics - otherwise, how can it be trusted? - and even more problematically, the mathematics must be distilled and simplified to the point that even a child can understand it. At which point, the academics will naturally piss and moan and rail against the possibility that someone "outside their field" might understand something "in their field" as well as, or even much better than, they understand it themselves (this being precisely why they cannot be allowed to appropriate or control it).

That's how I see the problem; that's the meat of it. Alpha Centauri, if it comes at all, comes afterward. The good news is that much of the physics discussed in these threads, and pioneered by some of their illustrious participants, fits very naturally into the Big Picture of which I speak. In fact, it can be derived from it.

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From: Dan
Date: June 3, 2015 at 12:35:34 PM EDT
To: C Langan
Cc: 43 others......
Subject: Re: So near, yet so far.......?

Chris,

Who's on first........? Who's on top?

I think, Chris, that you and I agree that VALIS/cosmic-I/etc is on First.... on top.

If you and I are not merely cosmic guinea-pigs, then Valis does have our best interests at heart.

We have nothing to fear..... a mustard seed of our faith will move every mountain. Can anyone seriously doubt this, at this late date in OUR history?

What we will have a hard time accepting is that you and I are VALIS' coCreators.

Can you accept this, Chris? Is this not the only serious conclusion of retro-causality??

Otherwise, Chris, you ascribe much too much to those who are sore afraid to show their hands, when every chip is on the table

Dan



On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:39 AM, C Langan wrote:

Come right down to it, Dan's correct about "far": some people are very far away from the deep, redemptive knowledge that Dan seeks. And he may also be right about "close"; there may be at least one person who is right on top of it in every way, on every level. (For now, readers may consider this possibility to be merely hypothetical.)

Teleology is a complex issue. "Telos", as Dan calls it, has several components or phases: discovery, communication or distribution, and implementation. To my way of looking at it, discovery is already a fait accompli, but communication and implementation are another matter entirely.

Let's look at communication.

There can be no doubt that the world is being run; that those running it constitute a socioeconomic kind of "elite", in some ways divided among themselves but united in various regions of coherence; and that the elite plan to remain in charge at all costs, even if the world must die as a consequence. That is, we have a kind of "Samson Option" in play. The socioeconomic elite, being nothing if not very cunning and self-interested, have used a system called "academia" to cultivate a controlled "intellectual elite" charged with presenting and justifying their selected strategies for continued domination.

While the elite accept the necessity and inevitability of a profound global transformation - some of them have even called it a "New World Order" and envisioned it as an Orwellian surveillance / enforcement state, while the less naive understand that in order to be psychologically and physically sustainable, it must involve both a major philosophical / religious transformation and a winning population-control strategy with qualitative as well as quantitative parameters - they plan to be unconditional invariants of that transformation. That is, they plan to stay on top of the social and economic pyramid at all costs, and do not particularly care whether long-term human utility would be better served if someone else - someone smarter and more innately altruistic - were in charge.

The problem, of course, is that the socioeconomic elite, along with their pet intellectual elite, exclusively control the channels of communication, reducing to zero (0) the chance that the channel can neutrally, objectively carry information critical to the transformation, including even the true Origin of that information. This control has given them the opportunity to utilize the following strategy for continued world domination.

(1) Wait until the world, writhing in the throes of death, generates the outline of a solution in a last-ditch effort to save itself. Naturally, this solution will arise somewhere beyond their own tightly controlled, intellectually constipated domain, which in the final analysis can produce nothing but "Yazzuh, Massa! I finds dat a liddle spit shines yo' boots de bes'!"

(2) Appropriate the solution by attacking and marginalizing its actual source while transferring credit to controlled entities within the "intellectual elite". (I don't know about anyone else, but I know exactly how it feels to be attacked and marginalized, and "good" isn't exactly the way I'd describe it. Wholesale transfer of credit would be even more annoying.)

(3) "Brand" the solution with the names of these controlled entities, using the scholarly publishing system and mass media to make precious little Darwins and Dawkinses and Hawkings and other brand-name geniuses out of them. You know ... "In these, our greatest minds, lies the future of our species!", and blah, blah, blah.

(4) Pressure their brand-name intellectual elites to attach their own preferred (ultimately inconsistent) interpretations to various parts and aspects of the solution, thus installing a new set of blinders on the masses while twisting the solution in their own preferred direction (even if the solution is completely broken in the process).

Dan explicitly admits the existence of a "PtB", and knows very well how they operate. He even understands their peculiar version of "rationality", and why their most likely strategy is exactly as I have outlined it. I know how I'd try to address this problem, but I also know that Dan differs with me on that. So just out of curiosity, how does Dan think these communication issues should be addressed, given that until they are, the implementation phase of "telos" cannot even begin?

Is everyone just supposed to spill his/her guts even as the PtB play it so close to the vest that they might as well be performing psychic surgery on themselves? Is everything supposed to go just swimmingly out of sheer Teilhardian serendipity, even though (at least some of) those who control the world would obviously rather continue to control it than save it under any other circumstances?

I suspect that Dan would answer the last question with a resounding "Yes!" But given the notorious opacity of Dan's PtB, I can only wish that I were equally convinced.


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Post by Cyrellys on Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:58 am

Well Dan, you seem to be making some headway.

I greatly appreciate what Paul Z & CL had to say on the subject of Alpha C. The people with the will to go and the kind of pioneering spirit needed to make such a venture successful have already pulled out of the System in disgust. They've thrown in their lot with the American Liberty Community because it's philosophy of seeking to achieve self-sustainability, honest economics, real education based on truths rather than ptb sustaining lies is more appealing.

They may be right that going to some place like AlphaC. might not occur until the confrontation between the ptb and those they've locked out, demonized, and slated for depopulation. The resources the ptb once had that could have been put toward such a project, they've instead invested in deep underground abodes. So the technology shunned by the mainstream is being worked by the garage mechanics in their meager spare time and their first workorder is already in the shute, which is to create a free standing energy generator that can replace the grid in short order when the ptb yank it out from everyone's feet. Oh those maligned patriots and their two-bit engineers - extremists because they've had enough of being lied to and have left the plantation to go rebuild civilization from scratch on their own...ya never know what is going on in the backwoods of America! Might be something the ptb would choke on. And yes Dan there are plenty of those among us who believe in your kind of teleology too.

You see we don't besmirch others for such things. While we're living and let living, we're actually preparing to do what the ptb howl can't be done. We're a bubble gum and baling wire bunch out here...whatever works right? High population works for us. So does the ptb's ever shrinking food and supplies packaging, because as we fill in the local vacuum they leave behind, the people flock further this way.

There are limitations of course. We won't be feeding the rest of the world anytime soon, BUT it doesn't mean what we're preparing to do can't be replicated elsewhere.

Cy


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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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Oh, and one more thing...

We've been watching the ptb poke at Putin & Russia, trying to get him to bite on WWIII. We still think him capable of running circles around the criminals without lifting a single nuke to do it. His messages a year and a half ago about his conservatism, thoughts on religion, international relations, and so on didn't fall on deaf ears. We expect him to stand by what he said, no matter how rotten the ptb get. If we can hold our ground in the face of the ptb's BS, then we're sure he can too.

The ptb are hanging themselves with their own rope. Let them keep doing so. It's what they do best.

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Post by dan on Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:59 am

Cy,

Thanks for all the continuing support. Should I not add you to the Short-List.....?

From: Dan
Date: June 5, 2015 at 10:43:36 AM EDT
To: C Langan
Cc: Paul Z, Deborah N, Colton F, Larry F

Subject: Re: Trusting......?

(cont.......)


So, Chris, what lies between 'us' and the truth.......?

Is it just the PtB......?

Paul and I have been discussing the possibility that we are, in point of fact, dealing with nothing less than the Katechon. This greek word is used just once in the NT.

I equate the katechon with the negative/back-side of the Demiurge...... i.e. the Restrainer. In Christian parlance, then, the Katechon is none other than Satan.

I was in the process of announcing my discovery of the Katechon to my Search for Answers ministry at the Grace Fellowship Church in Timonium, when I was apprehended, and led out of the Church in handcuffs and leg-irons, with Ron and Aliyah on my speaker phone. Just another Sunday in our best possible world!


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On Jun 5, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Dan wrote:

Chris,

Trusting........? Yes, I do trust 'VALIS', in the End. Do we have a choice?

The question before is how near might we be to the End, and what is the nature of this 'End'.

You and I, Chris, are the only ones on this short list who might plausibly take this 'End' personally, you and I being the only (bespoke) Christians, herein.

However, there were many people on the larger list who find idealism and ('natural') eschatology to be not at all implausible. We might even include Jack Sarfatti, bless his heart, amongst them. Yes, Paul?

I would like for us, short-listers, to see if we can get our eschatological ducks sufficiently in a row to take our discussion, gradually, back to a larger list.......

hKIM that Paul and Robert(?) are on Pacific time. Deborah and Colton came to us by way of Aliyah Pandolfi and her KWF. Colton is presently in Spain.



On Jun 3, 2015, at 4:25 PM, C Langan wrote:

"Chris, you can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."

Do you mean that the PtB aren't fooling many people any more, given that they routinely use land, sea, and air as their personal chemo-nuclear toilets, threaten to collapse the economy every time they want a few trillion in bailouts, and are now on the verge of starting WW3? Incredibly enough, I see many who are still fooled.

Or did you have something else in mind? (You're a very enigmatic fellow sometimes.)

"Yes, there are those who pay attention. Should we fear those who are awake? As long as we can refrain from kicking the sleeping dogs, we will be fine. Should we not continue to mind our own business?"

Perhaps, unless the sleeping dogs happen to be lying atop the future of mankind like their own personal straw mattress while dreaming of dog biscuits and chewing it to pieces. In that case, I don't see "minding our own business" as a very promising plan of action ... unless you have some reason to believe that the dogs have been engaged in sleep-learning, and will awaken with a bunch of new, socially constructive tricks in their heads.

But one way or the other, bless your heart, Dan. You're a very trusting soul.



On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dan wrote:
Chris,

True, not every chip is yet on the table.

Systematic manipulation........

Chris, you can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Yes, there are those who pay attention. Should we fear those who are awake? As long as we can refrain from kicking the sleeping dogs, we will be fine.

Should we not continue to mind our own business?

Dan


On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:32 PM, C Langan wrote:

Dan: I think, Chris, that you and I agree that VALIS/cosmic-I/etc is on First.... on top. If you and I are not merely cosmic guinea-pigs, then Valis does have our best interests at heart.

In a metaphorical manner of speaking (the universe is not fully computable, at least by a standard Turing Machine; there are things in reality that one can "shut up and calculate", and others which one cannot). It's the architecture, programming, and internal dynamics of VALIS that are at issue, and how to prevent human and/or inhuman viruses, exploits, and malware from impairing its proper functioning.

Dan: We have nothing to fear..... a mustard seed of our faith will move every mountain. Can anyone seriously doubt this, at this late date in OUR history?

Quite true. The problem is that watchful eyes, peering out of the shadows, have noticed this as well, and have observed that with the right mechanisms in place, the process can be steered. Which would be fine, if we could establish out in the open that this steering operation coincides with Telos. Unfortunately, nobody's talking.

Dan: What we will have a hard time accepting is that you and I are VALIS' coCreators.

In a sense we are, although (as Jack implies) this bears considerable qualification.

Dan: Can you accept this, Chris? Is this not the only serious conclusion of retro-causality??

Again yes, but with qualification. There's quite a bit of structure involved, and it cannot be neglected.

Dan: Otherwise, Chris, you ascribe much too much to those who are sore afraid to show their hands, when every chip is on the table

Some chips are not yet on the table, Dan, and I don't think that I "ascribe too much" to those behind the curtain. Nor do I subscribe to the thesis that all of them know or even care what they're doing, teleologically speaking. However, I'd welcome credible information to the effect that on the whole, they are at least flexible, adaptable, and intelligent enough not to impede teleology and thereby ruin everyone's prospects for long-term survival, including their own.

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Paul: I personally view modern communications technology as a game changer. I'm not sure that even now the PtB fully understand the political implications of the WWW in terms of a potential
"mass awakening".

There's something to be said for that. But the Internet is presently equipped with half-silvered glass, and what transpires on the other side of the one-way mirror is unknown to those who generate most of the traffic. Many of us would prefer a nice clear window, at least for certain purposes.

For all of its marvelous transformative potential, the Internet is a very noisy and "editable" environment. It's also largely anonymous, and thus a snake pit crawling with shills, disinformation specialists, self-styled experts who sound convincing but are actually quite moronic and malicious, and pseudonymous character assassins. Most people have no way of distinguishing these people from well-meaning participants, and end up being told what to think by them. (Unfortunately, excluding all of them would entail all the liabilities of censorship.)

In other words, the public reception and evaluation of Internet content is subject to systematic manipulation.

(Good quote.)

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