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And for the insane, or other wise, we present:

Schroedinger's Cat is not Alone

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1004.4206v4

Beatriz Gato, Beatriz Gato-Rivera
(Submitted on 23 Apr 2010 (v1), last revised 31 Mar 2011 (this version, v4))
We introduce the `Complete Wave Function' and deduce that all living beings, not just Schroedinger's cat, are actually described by a superposition of `alive' and `dead' quantum states; otherwise they would never die. Therefore this proposal provides a quantum mechanical explanation to the world-wide observation that we all pass away. Next we consider the Measurement problem in the framework of M-theory. For this purpose, together with Schroedinger's cat we also place inside the box Rasputin's cat, which is unaffected by poison. We analyse the system identifying its excitations (catons and catinos) and we discuss its evolution: either to a classical fight or to a quantum entanglement. We also propose the BSVΨ scenario, which implements the Complete Wave Function as well as the Big Bang and the String Landscape in a very (super)natural way. Then we test the gravitational decoherence of the entangled system applying an experimental setting due to Galileo. We also discuss the Information Loss paradox. For this purpose we consider a massless black cat falling inside a massive black hole. After that we outline a method to compute the contribution of black cats to the dark matter of the universe. Finally, in the spirit of Schroedinger, we propose that next generation double-slit experiments should use cats as projectiles. Cat interferometry will inevitably lead to the `Many Cats' interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, allowing to shed new light on old mysteries and paradoxes. For example, according to this interpretation, conservative estimates show that decision making of a single domestic cat will create about 550 billion whole universes every day, with as many replicas of itself.


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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:09 am

Ron continues with the assertion that the 'eschatological vectors are coming into alignment', with a time-frame, now, of 16 months.  

Our sea-based adventure is going ahead, on that basis.  There could still be space available for last minute participants.  

KWF will be the vehicle for moving on this expanded agenda.  

The idea is to use the MoAPS to preempt the near eschaton, allowing us time for the millennial kingdom.  

A likely first action will be to initiate a focus group at a local university, under the banner of KWF, in parallel with a drone/DaVinci workshop.
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Post by Foot Mann on Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:49 am

Several of these vectors now point in the direction of the brine. Good thing she can bend the line as they emerge in another time. Is the MoAPS a shift in space or mind? With Dan at the helm, the journey will be fine, until he confronts the iceberg slime.

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Post by dan on Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:46 am

------ 16 Month Deadline --------- 

My part of the SBA is back on hold......... too little, too late?  

If there actually is just a 16 month deadline for the MoAPS, as the alternative to an eschatological event, then our own timeline needs to be stepped up.  

At the least, there needs to be a working focus group at one of the science funding agencies.  Yes?  

Instead, we are talking about revising the by-laws of the KWF, and the statement by Ron that, at first, Aliyah could only devote a small portion of her KWF activity to the paradigm issue.  

This is carrying the idea of continuity to an extreme, in the face of an extreme discontinuity.  If the three of us cannot rise to this challenge, how can we expect others to do so?  

What do I do?  Sail off into the sunset?  Sayonara?  Do I have no alternative, but to appear to go along with a totally inadequate initiative?  Is it not too late for tokenism?  

I'm off for a walk in the woods.......


1:50--------- 

It should not take nine days to ammend the KWF bylaws.  

Otherwise I would be leading a tutorial on the BPWH.  Why wasn't this done on the cruise before last, when we had Paul Z available?  

On the last cruise, MJ12 was supposed to have been involved, peripherally, at least.  What happened to them?  Now that the stakes have been raised, they have disappeared.  This does not make sense.  

Instead, we should be setting up meetings back on shore.  We would need unlimited ship to shore communications.  None of this has been mentioned.  I should not have to be the task master or manager.  This cannot be a one person show.  Anything less is a joke.  I will stick to my reading, blogging and working with Paul.  That is what I have signed up for.  




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Post by dan on Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:39 am

I look forward to getting back to blogging as usual.  The insistance upon and considerable pressure to participate in seagoing events is distracting.   Is this just to obtain work pass of some kind?  Does this not cast doubt upon his alleged paradigm deadline?  Well, it certainly casts doubt upon my participation, therein.  Enough said?  


I've spent still more time with OB's SA/SI, and it is worth every minute.  It is largely complementary to the BPWH.  I still have not found any particular item to quarrel with.  

What I don't have is a picture of his version of final participation, either in its affect or its effect. Is this my own lacuna, or is Owen being cagey?  I guess I'd better check on that, again....... 

But wait, here is a sticking point..... SA/SI is prone to dualism between the phenomenon and the noumenon, i.e. between the 'represented' and the 'unrepresented'.  This is no small bit of semantics.  

Virtually everyone after Kant has attempted to parse his noumenon, especially Hegel, or simply concede the matter to science.  Owen eschews any such metaphysical gambit.  But can he afford to be so parsimonious?  By the same token, he eschews the Eschaton.  In some strong sense he follows the catholic initiative in immanentizing the Eschaton.... no 'consummation' for Owen.  If anything, this final abstemiousness explains his reticence wrt the noumenon.  

Me, abstemious?  Not damn likely.  We have the CCs and the CuCs.  That's all she wrote.  Our final participation is to dive back into our Source, in the CuCs, in an historically orchestrated fashion.  This is how the best possible creative bootstrap works.  Owen's three stages are the larva, chrysalis and butterfly, if you will.  We are poised on the latter boundary, waiting patiently for our D-day.  

What Owen mainly lacks, then, is the Parmenidean, brahman, neo-Platonic One/monad/unity, in that he follows the Kantian/deistic/Cartesian dualistic formulation.  This is a strange abstemiousness, given the rest of his work.  


4:30---------- 

Allow me to repeat this quote from Owen....... 'Pan has closed shop, not to retire, but to [retire within us].' (p.130)  This our final participation.  This is our apocatastasis, our embrace of the Source.  We hold Pan in our bosom.  Can we imagine it?  Can we imagine anything else?  

A few pages latter....... "I believe it will seem very strange to the historian of the future, that a literal minded generation began to accept the actuality of a 'collective unoconscious' before it could even admit the possibility of a 'collective conscious' - in the shape of the phenomenal world."  And that was 60 years ago.... strange, indeed.  

And, in the very next breath.... "I do not, however, think it can be very long now before this, too, is accepted...." 

Finally, on the next page..... "... the fact that the phenomenal world arises from the relation between a conscious and an unconscious...." Bye-bye atoms!  What happened to his metaphysical neutrality?  He just couldn't hold it any more!  



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by GSB/SSR on Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:13 pm

Ron continues with the assertion that the 'eschatological vectors are coming into alignment', with a time-frame, now, of 16 months.

What is the above based on?


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Post by dan on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:46 am

Gary, 

Per my usual protocol, what you see is what I get.  Had there been more information, I would, at the least, have made reference to it.  

Do I take this prognosticaation seriously?  I have taken no actions that might indicate such, and neither has Ron, that I'm aware of.  There have been no consultations, one way or the other.  

The boat trip was to have had a BPWH theme, but that was only after several other iterations, and very little substantive input.  At this point, I'm seeing much too little, much too late.  I'm not participating.  

At the very least, there would need to be a focus group at one or more of the several government science agencies.  Nothing less would make any sense, now that Ron has dropped the E-bomb.  

Instead, this could easily be a trial balloon or a decoy of some sort.... and not very effective at that, evidently.  Of course, we do have to factor in Ron's first public appearance..... right here.  Last night he wanted to be sure that I would let him know if I heard anything.  I could hear a pin drop.  


1:15-------- 

I have finished my rereading of SA/SI, backwards and then forward.  Excellent stuff!  It will help me to flesh out the BPWH.  Owen's main problem is the lack of the CTC.  There is, therefore, no Omega >> Alpha virtual closure/gap.  

There is no Eschaton, no D-day.  History has just two phases... original and final participation.... BC and AD.  Alpha and beta-thinking, i.e. science and philosophy, were interlopers of the interim.  

The Eschaton is thoroughly immanentized.  

How could Owen have missed the MoAPS?  Reluctant messiah?  He didn't wish to incarnate the SoT, etc. 

Despite all his talk of the evolution of idols, he did not attempt finally to eradicate the notion of deep space and deep time.  Again, missing the crucial CTC.  He does not provide this alternative model for cosmology.  A model need not always be an idol.  

Owen misses our incipient 3rd age.... of the Spirit.  We have the bronze, iron and 'silicon' ages.  Our wireless world brings on the final participation, in earnest.  


Owen's greatest leap is to compare and then identify rainbow and tree.  I have failed to be quite so glib.  My bad?  I am less willing to compromise or negotiate with atoms.  My rationale is to be more radical in my construct of space, more Kantian, in that sense.  I'm like the dentist who says, your teeth are fine, but your gums will have to go!  There would be only one atom and, maybe, a cell or two.  The rest is mainly up to our perspicacity.  Space and geography are our doing.  Birds don't migrate in their space.  The do so in ours.  Yes?  There is a difference.  We geometrize.  Birds don't, bless their little hearts.  They just flap their wings a lot.  I'm not being just a little bit glib, am I?





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From: Dan
Date: April 8, 2015 at 9:16:23 AM EDT
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Ron, 

If I try to make sense of your gyrations, I chalk them up to your gaming the system.  That's what you get paid to do.  That's not what I get paid to do, so we have an interfacing issue.  

In your phone call yesterday, you spoke of 'vectors of instability'.  You wanted to know if Sam or I had any recent data, and you mentioned Charlie Hall, in that regard.  I reminded you of the incident with Gail Tverberg and Dennis Meadows at the zombie-apocalypse fest at the hippie commune in western Maryland, last spring.  

Gail stated that she expected the fracking investment bubble to collapse this year, leading to the second global financial collapse, a collapse that would not have the sovereign debt cushion that we had in '08.   

The larger point is that we are accelerating into dead-man's curve in our race to oblivion.  These impending instabilities or non-linearities have been foreseen at least since Dennis' 'Limits to Growth' (1972).  

I hope, Ron, that God is watching your backside.  I hope that your deep-black psychic network develops no glitches.  It's ok for God to play chicken with our destiny, but I suspect that game is above your pay-grade.  

OTOH, I am chicken little.  I don't play chicken.  Nor am I going to play the lounge lizard on your May cruise.  I'm still waiting for you to get serious about the future.  In the meantime, I'll be sitting right here, by my phone.  

Dan 

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

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Date: April 7, 2015 at 7:11:47 PM EDT
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Hi Dan,

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On Tuesday April 7 Dan Smith wrote:

1:15-------- 

I have finished my rereading of SA/SI, backwards and then forward.  Excellent stuff!  It will help me to flesh out the BPWH.  
Owen's main problem is the lack of the CTC.  There is, therefore, no Omega >> Alpha virtual closure/gap.  

There is no Eschaton, no D-day.  History has just two phases... original and final participation.... BC and AD.  Alpha and beta-
thinking, i.e. science and philosophy, were interlopers of the interim.  

The Eschaton is thoroughly immanentized.  

How could Owen have missed the MoAPS?  Reluctant messiah?  He didn't wish to incarnate the SoT, etc. 


As you say, he has his "final participation" -- in which the use of symbols, metaphor, and allegory is permissive but fully 
aware. It doesn't hypostatize the icon as an object of veneration in its own right -- and is thus not idolatrous.

I'm still not sure what the relationship is to Heidegger's immediate apprehension of Pure Being...



Despite all his talk of the evolution of idols, he did not attempt finally to eradicate the notion of deep space and deep time.  

As a Kantian surely would, considering them to be mere forms of human intuition imposed in sense experience a priori.

Quotes?


Again, missing the crucial CTC.  He does not provide this alternative model for cosmology.  

Well, what kind of "spark gap" would it take to go original participation >> final participation >> original participation? 

But I thought you were now thinking more in terms of Hofstadter strange loops, as opposed to GR CTCs?


A model need not always be an 
idol.  

Isn't that the point of Barfield's concept of "final participation"?


Owen misses our incipient 3rd age.... of the Spirit.  We have the bronze, iron and 'silicon' ages.  Our wireless world brings on 
the final participation, in earnest.  


How so? What do you think Barfield means by "final participation"?

My impression is that he is thinking in terms of a deliberate fully conscious use of icons, distinguishing between that an 
the mistaken belief that the icons are themselves the real McCoy, which Barfield characterizes as a form of "idolatry"?



Owen's greatest leap is to compare and then identify rainbow and tree.  I have failed to be quite so glib.  My bad?  


Barfield's argument here is rather weak if you ask me. Yes the rainbow as perceived is an intersubjective construct (what
Barfield calls an "intersubjective representation"), but the water droplets and the refracted light waves that are the physical
basis for the rainbow effect do not depend on the perception of color -- which Barfield confusingly calls the "unrepresented".

Again, we are talking about primary vs., secondary qualities. You need a Kantian argument -- or something equivalent -- to 
establish that the primary qualities are also fundamentally intersubjective.  Barfield's rainbow conveys the idea, nicely, but 
doesn't actually make the needed argument IMHO.




I am less 
willing to compromise or negotiate with atoms.  My rationale is to be more radical in my construct of space, more Kantian, 
in that sense.  


You just need to establish that primary qualities are also intersubjective constructs aka "collective representations". Then
everything else follows.

IMO Barfield's thesis boils down to the observation that "nature" is defined by the conceptual map the human mind applies
to the territory. Thus as the human mind evolves, so does "nature". Nature is a system of collective representations.  


I'm like the dentist who says, your teeth are fine, but your gums will have to go!  There would be only one atom 
and, maybe, a cell or two.  


Ontologically speaking, there is only One period (according to Parmenides at least).

Atoms are intersubjective constructs. They are no individual substances. Also they are divisible.

So contemporary science does NOT support metaphysical atomism.



The rest is mainly up to our perspicacity.  Space and geography are our doing.  Birds don't migrate 
in their space.  The do so in ours.  Yes?  There is a difference.  We geometrize.  Birds don't, bless their little hearts.  


That doesn't mean they don't have a model in their heads that serve to organize their sense impressions along 
geographical lines.


They just 
flap their wings a lot.  I'm not being just a little bit glib, am I?


Hmmm...

I'm going to scan some Barfield quotes and OCR them, and then post them for discussion. I'd like to pin down what Barfield 
means by "final participation", "unrepresented", etc., a little more precisely.


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Immediate apprehension of pure being..........? 

That is pure faith.  That is allowing ourselves, individually and collectively, to be rocked in the bosom of Abraham.  

It is letting ourselves see the world as a love-fest, and not as being red in tooth and claw.  Yes, it will still be that, for a spell, but that spell will be broken, with the spell of love.  Seeing is believing, all we have to do is learn to see with our minds' eye.  We just have to get serious about beta-thinking.  

Deep space, deep time..........? 

Owen simply was not going to throw himself under the NASA juggernaut, not in 1957.  NASA no longer occupies the cosmic Catbird seat.  Psilocybin is making its comeback.... http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/trip-treatment .  The Kingdom is within, sports fans!  And that is not just a figure of speech.  


But I thought you were now thinking more in terms of Hofstadter strange loops, as opposed to GR CTCs........?  

Look, Paul, let me remind you of the NWO......  If I like a phrase, I take it, I own it.  I like CTC, I don't like strange-loop.  If the physicists don't like my slanderous plagiarism, then see me in court.  You, Paul, are my fringe-physics lawyer.  All you need to know is how not to blink, when you get caught in the headlights.  It's kinda looking like that might be sooner than later, you know, before the cock crows.  


What do you think Barfield means by "final participation"......? 

See above....... 

You need a Kantian argument -- or something equivalent -- to establish that the primary qualities are also fundamentally intersubjective.  Barfield's rainbow conveys the idea, nicely, but doesn't actually make the needed argument IMHO......... 


Again, Paul, yours is not to reason why, yours is but to fill in the blank spaces.  Yes?  I know you can do it!  


Thus as the human mind evolves, so does "nature". Nature is a system of collective representations......... 


Kinda..... but don't forget the God of the Gap..... the Alpha and Omega/Telos.  Yes, we are One with God, she has our backside and our frontside, as do we, hers.  


So contemporary science does NOT support metaphysical atomism.......


Amen, brother.  


That doesn't mean they don't have a model in their heads that serve[s] to organize their sense impressions along geographical lines....... 


Model in their heads...... that is a mouthful!  But not quite.  There is but one Atom and but one Bird, in the End.  That one bird is Our totem.  Let's not confuse the Bird's map for Our territory.  Yes, birds have a collective consciousness, and that is all they have.  Their CCs is an essential subset of ours.  Who are we to begrudge them that?  


'Nature is our Mirror.' (Rorty?)  That's all I'm trying to say.  Is this what Owen is saying?  


Dan 


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There is but one Atom and but one Bird, in the End. That one bird is Our totem.

I recall one of Castaneda's later books discussing a similar concept for humans and other forms of life.

http://terebess.hu/english/fire6.html

He gave me a detailed explanation of what the mold of man was. He did not talk about it in terms of the Eagle's emanations, but in terms of a pattern of energy that serves to stamp the qualities of humanness on an amorphous blob of biological matter. At least, I understood it that way, especially after he further described the mold of man using a mechanical analogy. He said that it was like a gigantic die that stamps out human beings endlessly as if they were coming to it on a mass-production conveyor belt. He vividly mimed the process by bringing the palms of his hands together with great force, as if the die molded a human being each time its two halves were clapped.

He also said that every species has a mold of its own, and every individual of every species molded by the process shows characteristics particular to its own kind.

He began then an extremely disturbing elucidation about the mold of man. He said that the old seers as well as the mystics of our world have one thing in common -- they have been able to see the mold of man but not understand what it is. Mystics, throughout the centuries, have given us moving accounts of their experiences. But these accounts, however beautiful, are flawed by the gross and despairing mistake of believing the mold of man to be an omnipotent, omniscient creator; and so is the interpretation of the old seers, who called the mold of man a friendly spirit, a protector of man.

He said that the new seers are the only ones who have the sobriety to see the mold of man and understand what it is. What they have come to realize is that the mold of man is not a creator, but the pattern of every human attribute we can think of and some we cannot even conceive. The mold is our God because we are what it stamps us with and not because it has created us from nothing and made us in its image and likeness. Don Juan said that in his opinion to fall on our knees in the presence of the mold of man reeks of arrogance and human self-centeredness.

As I heard don Juan's explanation I got terribly worried. Even though I had never considered my self to be a practicing Catholic, I was shocked by his blasphemous implications. I had been politely listening to him, yet I had been yearning for a pause in his barrage of sacrilegious judgments in order to change the subject. But he went on drumming his point in a merciless way. I finally interrupted him and told him that I believed that God exists.

He retorted that my belief was based on faith and, as such, was a secondhand conviction that did not amount to anything; my belief in the existence of God was, like everyone else's, based on hearsay and not on the act of seeing, he said.

He assured me that even if I was able to see, I was bound to make the same misjudgment that mystics have made. Anyone who sees the mold of man automatically assumes that it is God.




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Post by Cyrellys on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:41 am

Foot Mann wrote:Several of these vectors now point in the direction of the brine. Good thing she can bend the line as they emerge in another time. Is the MoAPS a shift in space or mind? With Dan at the helm, the journey will be fine, until he confronts the iceberg slime.

赤い大地の剣 Akai daichi no ken, has a blade that was tempered in the red clay of Japan. It was made for killing -- a warrior's sword, tailored to the body and form of the Princess, deep red with the color or Earth after time is gone.



Bending lines...

Peter Berresford Ellis wrote:Then Righbaddan, the royal poet went to Cellachain (Cashel Eoghannocht) and said: "I know the sidh of Drom Collchoille where the lady Aine dwells."

Chellachain looked at the poet-warrior in curiosity, "No one knows that," he said dismissively. "And if anyone did, what good would it avail us?"

"It is a closely guarded secret among poets," agreed Righbaddan. "But good it well do, for isn't it Aine who is the guardian of the Eoghanachta, and isn't it Aine who fortold that Mor would be mother to a dynasty of kings in Cashel?"

Aine who created the Eoghanachta through Oilill Olomh, son of Eoghan Mor; she who was daughter of Mannanan Mac Lir.

The ancients bent no knee before the kindred peoples, nor to the Universal Source. Instead they stood as expected on two feet and tall; fierce and firm...

Castaneda wrote:He began then an extremely disturbing elucidation about the mold of man. He said that the old seers as well as the mystics of our world have one thing in common -- they have been able to see the mold of man but not understand what it is. Mystics, throughout the centuries, have given us moving accounts of their experiences. But these accounts, however beautiful, are flawed by the gross and despairing mistake of believing the mold of man to be an omnipotent, omniscient creator; and so is the interpretation of the old seers, who called the mold of man a friendly spirit, a protector of man.


Now, Dan said you mentioned Charlie Hall?

Which, your horse race makes less sense than recent synchronistic happenings with this one: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_hall.htm

unconfirmed as yet...but if true, then I'd expect they were doing some inquiring. For if true, WE, mine, have spelled out why certain treaties are null and void, in this short time before the Reckoning.

What exactly was your comment in regards to that (Charlie Hall)? Was it on this or something else entirely? I seek what is at work behind the name...they or Synch.

Will you reply with clarity on this Footman? I will check back on a possible reply later...I must be elsewhere for a few hours.

My interuption to your ponderings of Aislings, was not without necessary purpose.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:02 pm

Bill informs me about the haline thermocline...... 

So, yes, there may be some concern about the disruption of the Conveyor, which could lead to an acceleration of the methoclathrate melting.  

Fracking bubble.......?  

I don't recall what Bill had to say about the FB.  We would like to hear more about the Vectors.  Vectors sound a lot like rocket science.  



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:44 pm

Cy, 

Your Charlie Hall is not quite the same a Sam's Charlie Hall.  Maybe we should introduce them.
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Post by Cyrellys on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:27 pm

As I understand it, the man has already had his horse race. But I was asking due to a peripheral reason possibly involving the TWs.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Cyrellys on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:21 pm

GSB/SSR wrote:Ron continues with the assertion that the 'eschatological vectors are coming into alignment', with a time-frame, now, of 16 months.

What is the above based on?

He's talking about the Cyclic Cataclysm. The one that took out technological civilization 12,000 years ago...and didn't leave much except things like whats in odd spots like Gobekli Tepe, the alpine regions of South America, and a variety of other stone works sites around the world.

There was another incident sometime around 7,000-5,000 years ago too which also resulted in some flooding/water displacement etc.

This time includes the break up of the Earths crust. The fracking didn't exactly help matters.

Get to solid ground preferably over granite not sand, and be at or above 3,000 feet above sea level...and for heavens sake, stay the heck out of the dumbs...unless you like being the meat in the middle of a concrete pancake.

two months ago, word was 18 months to go...footman is on schedule.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Cyrellys on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:46 pm

Cyrellys wrote:
GSB/SSR wrote:Ron continues with the assertion that the 'eschatological vectors are coming into alignment', with a time-frame, now, of 16 months.

What is the above based on?

He's talking about the Cyclic Cataclysm.  The one that took out technological civilization 12,000 years ago...and didn't leave much except things like whats in odd spots like Gobekli Tepe, the alpine regions of South America, and a variety of other stone works sites around the world.

There was another incident sometime around 7,000-5,000 years ago too which also resulted in some flooding/water displacement etc.

This time includes the break up of the Earths crust.  The fracking didn't exactly help matters.

Get to solid ground preferably over granite not sand, and be at or above 3,000 feet above sea level...and for heavens sake, stay the heck out of the dumbs...unless you like being the meat in the middle of a concrete pancake.

two months ago, word was 18 months to go...footman is on schedule.

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For your reference:

haline thermocline
Ocean Circulation: Thermohaline Circulation - PDF
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/oceans/glodap/glodap_pdfs/Thermohaline.web.pdf

Conveyor
What is the global ocean conveyor belt?
oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/conveyor.html
National Ocean Service
Jun 3, 2014 - The global ocean conveyor belt is a constantly moving system of deep-ocean circulation driven by temperature and salinity.

Fracking and methoclathrate melting
Seven facts you need to know about the Arctic methane ...
www.theguardian.com › Environment › Arctic
The Guardian
Aug 5, 2013 - Nafeez Ahmed: Dismissals of catastrophic methane danger ignore robust science in ... sea level rise at the time could only be explained by melting in Antarctica. ... from Arctic methane clathrates including from thawing permafrost played a key ..... Incidentally, fracking would not be needed - the permafrost ...

Clathrate gun hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis
Wikipedia
Methane clathrate is released as gas into the surrounding water column or soils .... Some melting may be the result of geological heating, but more thawing is ...

Mysterious Seafloor Methane Begins to Melt Off Washington ...
www.scientificamerican.com › ... › Climatewire
Scientific American
Dec 10, 2014 - This isn't about clathrates melting today, it's about what might someday. ... See: http://www.texassharon.com/2013/03/09/new-book-fracked-in- ...

In a nutshell? Pole shift +

crustal instability, use of disruptive technology, the Sun's part, the passage of the periodic celestial body and its effects on our gravity, electromagnetic shielding, psychological effects upon surface lifeforms, etc.

There used to be an ancient method of strengthening the planet's shielding to help compensate for the most destructive effects...global war prevented that shielding to being activated in time 12,000 years ago or so the story went...there was also a genetic factor built into humankind to help but 2 lineages that were part of that apparently have been lost? And somewhere in the last 12,000 year dark age the planetary network of mechanisms have had parts stripped from their structures and they stand like empty shells?

Dan, do you remember the gentleman who came through here in Jan or February I think it was...about seeking help examining the GLYPHS? I spent a good deal of time going over their website full of material and research on them. They weren't sure what to make of the glyphs...but they made a fair amount of sense to me.

I don't know if the site is still up but I have copies of the materials. I ran those copies across the front window of Manticore Group with an explanation of what I knew at the time, but not a whole lot of response was added to them by the group.

Shrug.

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http://www.allnewspipeline.com/NORAD_Heading_To_Bunkers.php wrote:Admiral William Gortney, head of NORAD and Northern Command, said that "because of the very nature of the way that Cheyenne Mountain's built, it's EMP-hardened."

"And so, there's a lot of movement to put capability into Cheyenne Mountain and to be able to communicate in there," Gortney told reporters.

"My primary concern was... are we going to have the space inside the mountain for everybody who wants to move in there, and I'm not at liberty to discuss who's moving in there," he said.

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:04 am

Cy, 

Thank you for your additional info.  We might also take note of.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutdown_of_thermohaline_circulation . 

I don't see any immediate tie-in with the methoclathrate melting issue.  The other issue might be the bacterial coating under the ice shelves.  If that were disrupted biologically, it would be an additional instability.  

But, I suspect that CK is pointing to the least imminent of the vectors.... just a communication check.  But, in another kind of check, he was in a car wreck, yesterday.  Shaken, but unscathed.  Colton arrived, yesterday, also.  


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Post by Cyrellys on Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:48 am

Glad to hear he's ok.

The methoclathrate melting issue has to do with the increase of the internal heating of the planet as the external passage creates pressure the planet does not have adequate shielding now to respond to. I doubt the ancient mechanisms around the planet could be revitalized in time...not enough is known about them and how they work, and it may take time for their affects to build...I saw nothing in the glyphs about how far ahead of event they'd have to be activated or how to adjust them.


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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by dan on Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:17 am

Cy, 

Ron is intrigued by your awareness of the potential methoclathrate problem, and he salutes you for that.  

I, OTOH, take seriously the Atlantis stories, putting them in the context of our CTC.  Atlantis is our ancestors' recollection of our future temporary 'disengagement' from the Earth.  What we see in prospect, they see in retrospect.  That is how the closed-timelike-curve appears to us mortals, constrained to a linear view of what is actually our singular temporal circuit, of some 12 thousand years.  144 million depart from 12 megalopolises, some thousand years hence, and 144 thousand return to the original 12 megalithic centers.  

What you refer to as our 'external passage', others refer to as the 'photon belt', Nibiru passage, etc., I refer to as the Omega >> Alpha gap in our ouroboric circuit.  I.e. what others see as an extra-terrestrial event, I see as an intra-terrestial event, which can best be understood in the context of the Small World or hollow-earth hypotheses, which are other descriptions of our best possible CTC.  

But, so far, not a single person has been able to get their head around this alternative cosmology.  Would you like to be the first?  


The meetup, yesterday, with Ron, Aliyah and Colton was mainly a social affair.  The only 'current event' was Ron's notice of your interest in the clathrates, as mentioned.  So, yes, as per usual, there was no follow-up on matters eschatological.  Ron should know better than to wave a red flag in front of a bull.  I don't even have to charge at it.  I just sit and watch him make the inevitable feints.  



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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by Foot Mann on Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:29 am

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The Princess and Kashmir enjoyed dinner with you and the Royal Philosopher. She is pleased with how the Philosopher has embraced so many disciplines including science, philosophy, theology, and cosmology with the rise of her drones integrated throughout. Soon she will open the gates for the public to enter this realm. It will be a path from which not all will exit through the same door, be it calf, bull, steer, or gore.

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Post by Cyrellys on Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:41 am

A nod to Footman's interest in my awareness of the methoclathrate melting issue. I first heard the descriptions of the cyclic cataclysm from my grandmother in the 1970s...it (the description of the cataclysm) is part of the Aes Dana verbal historical record.

Is the Footman familiar with the following term for "greetings?": Arduneriak


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Post by Cyrellys on Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:09 am

Dan Smith wrote:I, OTOH, take seriously the Atlantis stories, putting them in the context of our CTC.  Atlantis is our ancestors' recollection of our future temporary 'disengagement' from the Earth.

What 'moderns' call Atlantis, we have no word for...the old draoi/drui only referred to as the 'truth of the ancients.'  Meaning the truth of the ancestors.  This must be differentiated from the use of "Ancients" meaning a different group of Beings altogether.  Atlantis was real enough, global, and far longer-lived than our current technological rise, Dan.

 What we see in prospect, they see in retrospect.  That is how the closed-timelike-curve appears to us mortals, constrained to a linear view of what is actually our singular temporal circuit, of some 12 thousand years.  144 million depart from 12 megalopolises, some thousand years hence, and 144 thousand return to the original 12 megalithic centers.  

This does not match the narrative I have Dan.  But if it were to be used to get people on the 'ships' some might buy it.

What you refer to as our 'external passage', others refer to as the 'photon belt', Nibiru passage, etc., I refer to as the Omega >> Alpha gap in our ouroboric circuit.  I.e. what others see as an extra-terrestrial event, I see as an intra-terrestial event, which can best be understood in the context of the Small World or hollow-earth hypotheses, which are other descriptions of our best possible CTC.

The Universal Source allows all beings to play with hypothesis as they see fit.  It's a part of evolving consciousness...but doesn't make the hypothesis 100% accurate.  For example the cosmology of Xtians was once thought beneficial for mankind, but look at the dismay of the Others today and how the DHS system lords manipulate the Others by giving them a video that depicts the need for martial law and red/blue/green list round ups because the VIDEO showed the Others Xtians massacre'ing their children to keep them from participating in the Greater Community and the Other's activities here among humans?  The VIDEO rightly horrified them and they're decisions to support the illicit DHS/military activities to "sort" the population were made based upon it...there is NOTHING in the record of Xtians that supports that kind of supposition...the System Lords lied to them in order to get the cooperation of the OTHERS on eradicating the humans carrying the strongest degree of "POTENTIAL"...most of whom are of high percentage Celtic stock tracing their ancestry back to the ATLANTIS survivors who fought against corruption during the global war of THAT TIME...i.e. who fought against the ancestors of the Illumined.

I wonder what the outcome of this information will be when the Others are finished reviewing it?  They already do not approve of the NWO crowd.

Cyrellys
 

But, so far, not a single person has been able to get their head around this alternative cosmology.  Would you like to be the first?  

I already understand a good portion of your cosmology Dan...I did even in 2008.  Remember when I mentioned to you:  MIND is not limited by TIME, SPACE(distance), or PLACE?

But that does not mean I agree entirely with your cosmology.  I do NOT >  The universe is more complicated than your theory.  Many things are always occurring at every point/location.  There is lineal sequencing  AND non-lineal...but your neat little nutshell is too constrained and entirely too tiny in terms of time and the rest of the cosmos.  I also have an issue with your concept of beginning and ending.



The meetup, yesterday, with Ron, Aliyah and Colton was mainly a social affair.  The only 'current event' was Ron's notice of your interest in the clathrates, as mentioned.  So, yes, as per usual, there was no follow-up on matters eschatological.  Ron should know better than to wave a red flag in front of a bull.  I don't even have to charge at it.  I just sit and watch him make the inevitable feints.  



there was no follow-up on matters eschatological.

Ah!  But Dan, he did!  Set aside ego for just a moment and rethink what he said.  

Just like in 1975 a request of that moment was responded to more than 6 years prior...And what she told him was that 'what was sent was not what was sought, it was what was needed.'

Cyrellys




WRT to the VIDEO described above snip of internal Manticore Group discussion:

QUOTE from email:  Cyrellys to Europe; cc QD - Today
"No doubt!  QD and I had a phone convo which was in part a discussion about how a supposidly advanced people could get duped into working with DHS on their depopulation agenda guised as 'sorting good from bad people'...because (the video depicts) Xtians might kill their kids.  It makes the DA's people in danger of seeming, um...gullible."

QUOTE Reply:  

"Gullible is being polite."


more perspective with regards to the video - birthing new mindsets among those who never would have entertained doing such things in the past - why would we think ET would escape this psy-op any more than the personnel involved in Jade Helm 15?:

JADE HELM’S USE OF DEATH SQUADS :It is outrageous that our government is using our money to practice the art of subjugating entire communities and to simulate the execution of people that they do not agree with
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/04/11/jade-helms-use-of-death-squads/

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Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

Post by skaizlimit on Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:34 pm

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there was no follow-up on matters eschatological.

Ah! But Dan, he did! Set aside ego for just a moment and rethink what he said. "

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Post by Cyrellys on Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:55 pm

skaizlimit wrote:"
there was no follow-up on matters eschatological.

Ah!  But Dan, he did!  Set aside ego for just a moment and rethink what he said.  "

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Ditto? Only Ditto? Wowsers Charlie Brown, I was having murnut flashbacks.

In the interest of good natured humor...quote:

Foot Mann: Soon she will open the gates for the public to enter this realm. It will be a path from which not all will exit through the same door, be it calf, bull, steer, or gore.

Skaiz, where exactly does a steak exit this realm? It's all a matter of position and perspective, no? Some truths before any flushing finality are Universal.

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From: Dan
Date: April 12, 2015 at 12:51:15 PM EDT
To: Paul 
Subject: Probability of coherence....??

Or is it the coherence of probability...... 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15brain.html

People have their own favorite measures of probability in the multiverse, said Raphael Bousso of the University of California, Berkeley. “So Boltzmann brains are just one example of how measures can predict nonsense; anytime your measure predicts that something we see has extremely small probability, you can throw it out,” he wrote in an e-mail message.

Another contentious issue is whether the cosmologists in their calculations could consider only the observable universe, which is all we can ever see or be influenced by, or whether they should take into account the vast and ever-growing assemblage of other bubbles forever out of our view predicted by eternal inflation. In the latter case, as Alex Vilenkin of Tufts University pointed out, “The numbers of regular and freak observers are both infinite.” Which kind predominate depends on how you do the counting, he said.


What would Parmenides think about this nonsense?  

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