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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.

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"This is an indeterminite problem. How shall I solve it? Pessimistically? Or optimistically? Or a range of probabilities expressed as a curve, or several curves?..........Well.....we're Loonies. Loonies bet. Hell, we have to! They shipped us up and bet us we couldn't stay alive. We fooled 'em. We'll fool 'em again!" Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

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Post on Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:30 pm by Cyrellys

Jake Reason wrote:
Cyrellys wrote:Wowsers, today's haul is quite the manege.

From StormCloudsGathering who has recently been quoted by Ron over on Dan Smith's thread,

I am keeping my eyes open on this, Cy.  =Generals Coup
Tending toward discrediting it, but keeping watch for any other leaks or signs.
BTW, I hadn't opened my email for weeks, and see you have sent a fair number.  I have about 100 from Victor Martinez as well.  Much to go through.  Some are told old to respond to, but will reply to others.
I see that MD02 has decided to take a sabbatical from on-line dialog.  I can well appreciate his reasons.  And have been having the same sort of reservations.
I wish you well, MD.
Take good care,
G-d Bless you


I didnt pay much attention this weekend, had some family stuff going on and a toastmasters speech this morning. I'll take a look around tonight.

No worries about feeling obligated to need. I just sent some things thought you'd be interested in.

Cloudrider sent back today on the loose glassmaker tracking. It didn't sound as if he noticed they were unsigned transfers to unidentified spec ops and none of the usual destination reporting.

Jeff believes they were sent upstate SC.


Post on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:33 pm by Cyrellys

Source:     I saved a copy of the email in case it disappears from the net.


Before Its News wrote:FEMA Readies 100,000 Person National Disaster Medical System Mobilization For 1,000 Locations (Video)

Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:23
% of readers think this story is Fact. Add your two cents.


(Before It's News)

By Susan Duclos

More and more people are wondering what does the government know that they aren’t telling the masses? What are they are preparing for? Some type of pandemic? A terrorist attack they know is going to happen but haven’t bothered to inform the public? Is it ISON?

The video below shows massive preparations being made for a 100,000 person national disaster system mobilization team,  for 1,000 locations, on just 48 hours notice.

[Update] Noteworthy, reported by Live Free Or Die here at Beforeitsnews, the CDC is also preparing for a “wide scale Pacific Rim emergency.”

Via the details from the video:

Contractor comments/questions call it an “Armageddon scenario” and question the capabilities of their industries to support it. These Government solicitations have all the earmarks of massive logistical incompetence.

The threat being prepared for appears to be coming out of the Pacific Rim region, a likely scenario is the human spread of Avian Bird Flu (H7N9) out of China. We think less it is less likely (but we can’t rule it out) that this is a Fukushima preparation because nuclear threats are invisible and usually deniable. Any such mobilization MUST BE less panic inducing than the threat which it seeks to quell, aka PANDEMIC.

PARTIAL Details:
100,000 “Doctor Scrubs” pants and shirts, 90% Adult Sizes (MUST DELIVER 50,000 with 48 hours notice)
100,000 “Sweat shirts and pants” 90% adult. (MUST DELIVER 50,000 with 48 hours notice)

1000 Shelters each holding 100 people, with mobile showers and restrooms supporting (2000 total showers).

And enough Fuel, Hot food delivery containers, sundries, protective equipment, hygine equipment and etc to supply.

6,000,000 autoclavable cotton blankets and so on and so forth, all must be available under “SURGE TEMPO” and typically in 48 hours notice.

8,100,000 liters of Bottled Drinking Water and 3,000,000 liters of Extended Shelf Life Drinking Water

Notable contractor comments:
Contractor A (Mobile showers and restrooms):
I think the Armageddon scenario is too large to provide the Federal Emergency Management Agency with several responsible parties….we could address and service the 20 camps in California, the 5 in Oregon and the 5 in Washington”
Contractor B: (6,000,000 Pcs order for autoclabable blankets)
Question4. Would we be able to get a longer lead time for the initial order and then 30 days for the remainder of the contract? As the blankets will be manufactured in Pakistan? It will be hard to carry 100,000 Pcs in Inventory. We on a general basis stock no more than 25,000 – 30,000 Pcs in inventory locally in GA.
Answer4. No.

Links to documents available at:…

Before It's News - ISON's Unexplained Orbital Adjustments wrote:By Susan Duclos
According to Russia’s Federal Space Agency, Comet ISON has made a number of “unexplained orbital adjustments,” around the planet Mars to better align itself with the Red planets strange moon Phobos.  The changes are puzzling scientists.

ore at:
Body Bags & Coffins - eyewitness account in Puerto Rico

Post on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:42 pm by Cyrellys

FEMA Grounds Private Drones That Were Helping To Map Boulder Floods, Threatens To Arrest Operators
Early Saturday morning Falcon UAV was heading up to Lyons to complete a damage assessment mapping flight when we received a call from our Boulder EOC point of contact who notified us that FEMA had taken over operations and our request to fly drones was not only denied but more specifically we were told by FEMA that anyone flying drones would be arrested

Post on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:58 pm by Cyrellys

I can see how the comments about Keith Alexander's office being like the bridge of the Enterprise...

the designers definitely were looking for a 'starship' like feel.

If you were going to be overseeing the information dominance during unambiguous contact, then mood setting or mind-frame setting would be part of establishing comfort zone?

Post on Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:32 am by Cyrellys

The following article is what I'd call a must read item.  The author of the letter that is quoted must have or be living a charmed life where everything is peachy keen...he has no purpose for anonymity and he can see no legit purpose anyone else could have.  Just another sleeper who helps the herdsmen corral the flock till they can live hog-tied in nice little control packages where everything is known beyond a shadow of a doubt...good slaves.  Problematic sentiment for our paradigm.

Information Liberation - Anonymous Cop wrote:So why should trolls go to jail? They are causing or inciting a riot plain and simple. The sole purpose is to upset as many people as possible through malicious or deceptive statements. They then sit back and watch the carnage. There is no benefit to anyone except themselves. The victims of these trolls are upset the rest of the day. They are driving aggressively on the roads, yelling at their co-workers and being consumed with a way to find out who that person on the Internet was.

This is not good for public safety. This is why I think the only way to combat this is to change the way we run comment boards and forums. Anyone who wants to comment or post anything needs to do this with their official email address registered by the government. This will be verified in person at your local driver's license division. No more anonymity on the Internet. Every time you post anything, your picture and name will pop up.

You trolls can still keep your precious usernames like halochamp34 and doritoskiller709, but it will be tied to your official email, the one and only email you can have. No more fictional emails and no more hiding behind the Internet. If you want to make public comments and be in the public domain of the Internet, then you should be brave enough to show your actual face.
The irony is that he submits his belief to the public without his own name - using anonymity and benefiting from it.

Another case of what's good for the goose the gander is exempt from?  Maybe he could be traced back to some policy think-tank like Rand or maybe the total information control world of Keith Alexanders people...

Perhaps he should discover for himself what whistleblowers, who've been identified, are subjected to because they're no longer anonymous.  He's brave enough to suggest it; just not put his own identity where his mouth is.  Could you imagine the sword cutting both ways?  He missed the boat there.  You first bud.  Let's sit back and watch you get drug through the proverbial mire by the real world which apparently you haven't noticed. 

Trolls are a pain in some venues, but when the cure is worse than the problem?  No thanks.  The history of the length headhunters will go to nix communicators, digs a deep grave for your suggestion.  It is neither wise nor practical.

Post on Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:26 pm by Cyrellys

FEMA Just Bought 72 Hr Survival Kits For Every Student In Every School In The U.S.

Thursday, September 19, 2013 22:14

(Before It's News)

Hey Doc

This is interesting. Was talking with my USDA buddy today, and they told me that
when they log into the GOV. system they have a home page just like us on whatever service we use.
They said a news brief caught their eye, FEMA just bought every student in every school in the US

a 72 bug out/survival bag, filled with food, water, hygiene and first aid supplies. The “kits” will be shipped
out ASAP to schools and should start arriving very soon.

Now with the economy in the crapper, Obama care almost bankrupt, the gov. overspending like mad
to buy up ammo, and now talk about the gov. shutting down, they can just crap out a few… what hundred million?
a few billion? to buy every kid in America a bug out bag? and why? why now? Doc I have a really bad feeling here.
For instance, how do you get people to willingly walk into a FEMA camp? Even us aware people? Well, you might do
it if something happens and they take your kids there… Think this is something Steve should hear about???
Well I am off to bed.
God Bless,

Sep 19, 2013



Monday, August 19th, 2013 | Posted by RJ

Top 3 New FEMA Orders – Emergency FEMA Region 3 Alert

Sheldon Songstad
Tue, Aug 13, 2013
Subject: FEMA Camp 3 Activated
red dawn 2013

A few nights ago Donald Trump was with Greta on Fox News. He told her something BIG was going to happen, most likely starting the first week of October. He could say NOTHING ELSE at this time.

FEMA purchase orders for over $14.2 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Region III by October 1st.

FEMA purchase orders for 22 million pouches of emergency water to be delivered to region III by October 1st.

FEMA purchase orders for $13.6 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Austin by October 1st.

Nine-week training course for UN Peacekeepers in CONUS to learn Urban Warfare, English, and US weapons systems beginning 4th week of July for 386,000 troops to be completed by October 1st.

$11 million in antibiotics to be delivered to FEMA region III by October 1st ordered by CDC.
World Health Organization held second emergency meeting in its history to discuss MERS Coronavirus. Determined a vaccine MUST be in place by October 1st.

2800 MRAPs must be delivered to DHS by October 1st.

No leave will be allowed for US military from September 28th thru November 5th. (Cy Note: Event Window - adjust post Sept 29th see testing below)

NORCOMM yearly training for civil unrest suspended until September 27th. To be performed in northeast coastal areas.

Date for release of QE3 report moved to October 16th.

All DHS agents MUST qualify with sidearm, shotgun and AR 15 by September 28th. No mention of yearly less lethal qualification.

Sporadic testing of GPS and Communications satellites is coordinated for the first time with a testing date of September 29th.

POTUS mandates to FEMA and DHS concerning support for metropolitan communities dealing with the extreme climate change MUST be complete by October 1st. These mandates were issued during the last three weeks. (article post August 13th)

Over 300 school systems in the US have determined they need three-day kits for each school AND three-day kits for each student to take with them. All deliveries are scheduled for the month of September. (CONFIRMATION of kits - see article above)

All National Guard units will complete riot control and disaster assistance training during this years annual two week training. All units MUST have their training complete by September 30th.

Daily testing of the Emergency Broadcast System to begin on September 25th and run thru October 2nd.

Eastern-based Coast Guard units to perform massive group training, usually performed in the Gulf, in the Virginia and Delaware areas. This is a 10-day training mission to begin September 26th.

Sheldon R. Songstad
Senator Retired: South Dakota State




User ID: 45589177
United Kingdom
09/13/2013 01:41 PM

whats this all about?

Following the bread crumb trail of FEMA orders, retired State Senator Sheldon R. Songstad of South Dakota State issued an “Emergency Fema Region 3 Alert!!!,” on August 13th.

Region three is comprised of; Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia.

Songstad’s research turned up some very interesting facts. Each item on its own could go unnoticed, but the collective facts may be worthy of your attention and scrutiny. The U.S. government appears to be preparing for a major event. It appears that this event is being staged for approximately Oct. 1st. Let’s look at the numbers and dates.

UN Peacekeepers began training the 4th week of July and will complete their nine week training by October 1st. They are learning English, as well as US weapon systems and Urban Warfare training.

How many troops are training? 386,000 troops!

The Center of Disease Control ordered $11 million worth of antibiotics. Where are they going? FEMA Region lll. When are they due? October 1st. This coupled with the fact that the World Health Organization held an emergency meeting, its second such meeting in its history, to discuss MERS Coronavirus. This is quite unsettling. The WHO determined that a vaccine MUST be in place by October 1st.

Periodic testing of GPS and Communications satellites is normal, but coordinating their testing for the first time, with a testing date of September 29th, is noteworthy.

All DHS agents MUST now qualify with sidearm, shotgun and AR 15’s by September 28th. Less lethal qualifications are not mentioned. Has one eye brow raised? The DHS will receive 2800 Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles (MRAP’s) that must be delivered by October 1st.

All National Guard units will complete their annual two week training in riot control and disaster assistance. All units MUST have their training complete by September 30th. However, the Eastern-based Coast Guard units will not be performing their usual training in the Gulf, this year they will be trained in Virginia and Delaware for 10 days beginning September 26th.

Coincidently, the Emergency Broadcast System will begin daily testing beginning on September 25th thru October 2nd. All of this kind of reminds me of the bomb sniffing dogs being trained at the Boston Marathon for the first time ever.

FEMA purchase orders deserve a little attention too. They ordered over $14.2 million for MREs and heater meals and 22 million pouches of emergency water, to be delivered to Region III by October 1st. An additional order of $13.6 million worth of MRE’s and heater meals will be delivered to Austin by October 1st.

Our U.S. military will not be permitted leave from September 28th thru November 5th. (Cy Note: this is the part that tells us if it is a window for activity or a determined event)

NORCOMM’s yearly training for civil unrest is suspended until September 27th. To be performed in northeast coastal areas. Date for release of QE3 report has been moved to October 16th.

Over 300 school systems will be issued a 3 day emergency kit for each student in September.

The retired Senator’s national preparedness research was sparked by a comment Donald Trump made during a recent appearance on Fox News’ “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.” Songstad included a video version of his findings with his notice. His video is going viral.

How concerned should we be? Or perhaps the question is….How prepared should we be? Perhaps the answer is……Better prepared than the government.


Cy Note: I went to the site today and looked over the news reel. I didn't see the noted news piece, nor in the archive...doesn't mean it wasn't there, only that it wasn't there when I looked. Perhaps someone will look and find the purchase order; requisition order if it exists somewhere on the net?


Post on Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:00 pm by Cyrellys

If the article at the following link was meant to be funny like some of the commentators suggest, it really wasn't - especially considering all the reports on what the system is doing to "prepare" for something.  However in the spirit of humor I left a suggestion meant to be humorous but maybe serious too. What was that about all being fair in fun and war? I'm not above the thought of having a good deal of fun at the expense of someone who wages war on me or any innocent neighbor.

The article states a Lt Schroder said: “These are precarious times we live in. It’s not like it was back in the 60′s or 70′s. It was one thing to be ridicule Government policies then, but in today’s strange climate, the public’s erratic behavior, and with the advent of the internet and information being shareable worldwide with a simple click of a button… We simply cannot chance the problems that may arise from one or two rouge (rogue?) Americans going against their homeland.”

Seriously? All spellin' issues aside, who that guy callin' "we", tyrant? Locking up journalists and others who don't like communist policies? For their own good? Is this what you get when a communist reads Aristotle on the definition of "good"? Stranger things have happened. His fun, their fun, then there's the definition of my fun...something altogether a little different. We'll see I suppose.

If the article is only satire and there's no camp and no tyrannical intentions then I'm all satire too. It's very simple.

Is this for ET? Is it for pole shift? Is it for 200 foot waves on the coasts? Is it for economic crash? Is it for some disease gone rampant? I don't think it matters. Living by principles is what we do. The Constitution is a document based on the principles of civilized living. The first organization in any crisis expected to act civilly and to set the example is government. If it fails to do so and instead goes tyrant, well it's like breeding rabbits - get one and you end up with two then suddenly you have chaos coming out your ears.

Conduct is conduct and tyranny is a disease in itself.



From Cy's Email wrote:----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Susan Lindauer

Here's a story you've all got to read.

I can't get this article to post in ANY EMAIL--- This is one of the NDAA camps in South Dakota.

That ===== ====== Obama & his ------- wife, Michele should be arrested immediately as the first inmates.

Can you spell T-R-E-A-S-O-N???

All those years of -------- smoking -------up Obama's head.

Susan Lindauer

(edited by Cy: for strong language.)

Post on Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:37 pm by Cyrellys

Welp, I personally find it more than a little disconcerting to hear of an supposed oath keeper to our nation playing dress up, dolls, and royal tea-party rather than the more mature expectation of a sovereign citizen operating among equals. Titles of nobility went down the road with the advent of the Constitution, but since peace officers are being taught that anyone who revere's our founding documents and the principles they embody are extremists it is apparently being assumed that titles of nobility are back in vogue. Appearances dictating new truths, I still find accounts of that kind of conduct more than a little fey.

But hey, Britain just got that much vaunted globalist imposed mandatory national service without so much as an explanation about unambiguous contact or catastrophic earth changes. So it wouldn't be a great leap of logic to figure a caste system is, know give them an inch and they invariably take a mile.

Courtesy of Bren Burton on the OMF Facebook page:

Bren said: There is so much sabre rattling, no one notices notices Fascism sneaking in the back-door...

I replied to Bren:

The fascism has been here for well over thirty years, but now it emerges from its sector of the deep security state and acts in the open with impunity and determination. Mandatory national service without explanation, unless clearances mark you as one of the chosen few. Your nation or mine, it's all a kingdom of fear that deep security state what creates neat little niches of control and polite acts of contempt.

Post on Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:35 am by Cyrellys

More unexplained booming sounds being reported:  North Whidbey Washington state

and then there are the water whirlpool/vortices....

I notice those are increasing in the southern hemisphere according to the report....

Before Its News: Green Fireball? 30 States Report Fireball Birage - Live Free or Die wrote:According to the first video below from  mamaknock, 30 states from around the country have reported fireball sightings to the American Meteor Society on Sept 22nd/23rd. Adding to what the videographer is calling ‘most amazing’ and ‘incredible’, threads are popping up across the board on GLP of reports of a green fireball in the sky from Texas to New York to New Hampshire to the state of Washington and West Virginia, as shared in the 3rd video below with a more in depth look at the 9-22,23 fireball barrage in the 2nd video.


Endless runs of bits and pieces -- Cy

Post on Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:16 pm by Cyrellys

Oh you fellow members of the deep black security state – this one's for you. I had the most wonderful experience today.

Now let me backtrack just a bit to qualify it. Those who know me are aware that I grew up within this paradigm; that for me it is ingrained at the hereditary or generational level. So relating as a person within it to the nature of its various facets, to the immense amount of contributing factors, to its quirks and dark side is old hat. It has always been. And who blinks an eye at the fantastic or the horrific when it is our equivalent of common place? But that is not the case for the world outside of it. Or those who have just discovered it, or voluntarily expose themselves to it. We inhabitants have it easy in that respect. We don't get lambasted upside the head every other word, facing the problem of integrating any bit or piece where it wholly overturns everything we've ever been officially lead to believe as being true.

Because we do not have any of that problem, it is not a simple matter to have simple conversations with someone who is upon this road initially uninformed. The truths, concerns and habits we hold and utilize day to day are things we take for granted or wrestle with in dutiful silence. As members of the so-called 'informed' branch of human society, regardless of the degree of informed – acknowledgeing those different degrees of understanding, but noting some truths as being universal – we are innured from the problems of a dissonant evolution, as much as someone who is never exposed to our paradigm is innured from even evolving. We are subject to a like-kind connundrum of our own making. It is few among us that I ever hear mention it.

I do however hear plenty about the uninformed inhabitants of human society. Much of it negative. Much of it filled with the same kindred assumptions that Robert Fulghum in layman's terms sets out in that quaint book of human condition truths 'All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten' page 57; “who says people are no damn good? What kind of talk is that?” Those things we come to believe, which we either inadequately test or do not test at all, or we test fail and remain on our knees over, lending sentiments to a wholesale perception of intellectual inadequacy and spiritual corruption upon which we then base policy upon. The public is “too toxic”. Remember that one? How many internal policies are now being based on it, reconsider it. I am speaking with you because this is necessary. Your future and theirs depends on this relative relationship you both refuse to acknowledge and bring to a more harmonious co-existence.

She said “I want to be someone who creates a “meaningful” effect (in life); I want to experience a meaningful life; to do something meaningful.”

She advised to me, “Be meaningful.”

The Liberty Community proclaims its “withdrawl of consent” to corruption, social engineering, and system inhabitants see it as rebellion, looking no deeper than the complaint you have about the public's interest in your truths. Is this an act of fair play? A consequence of disdain or socially ranked status? An indentured fact of life? A failure to complete a task? An inability to interconnect? A simple misunderstanding?

Exactly what is the value of enabling, utilizing, sustaining, protecting that 'free-will' – consent or no consent; what is it meant to be used for? Could it be to attain a meaningful-life? A meaningful product? A meaningful experience? How can that honestly to be achieved within a manufactured reality? Or a reality that is only digestable? What is stability and control without meaning, folks? Survival? The unexamin-able life being sweetly animalistic? Relative reachable peace akin to a terminally ill child diagnosed and then condemned to be eternally plugged into a video game engaging neither truth, nor society nor its full natural environment? And by consequence, establishing an entire generation likewise incapable of mature intellectualism or the capacity to make informed choices? I'm not sure that is anyone's real intent. Not those listening who still qualify as being human in the most minute shred of the definition (constructive criticism where due – to those whom it applies and overlooked by those whom it does not).

But I had the most wonderful experience today. I found what you lost. I found what you missed. And I found it so close to home as to qualify as fantastic; as great as the sequestered facts of our true reality. I recognized it yesterday in a simple speech which embodied the issues and perception of our mutual stewardship. I seen it in her recognition and acknowledgement of human potential. And today in a simple interconnect, I experienced it once again. There is hope. Believe in the possible, even if improbable when ye seek and ye might indeed find, the explorers among us. They are still with us, unnoticed, operating in opposition to the plantation, without the recognition due them. And certainly operating without your hand tied behind their backs and an eye to the sky, the other to the earth – hoping and working to establish peace in everyone, in the same spirit of the creational acts of the Universal Source with a human sense of the practical leading the way...not a meaningless peace meant to maintain societal stability or control. No. A meaningful one where human evolution is natural, interconnected, and relational in its being; an evolution open to every individual on this planet.

Oh how I wish you could have been there.

Get off your knees kinsmen! Spread the word. Where there is one, there are more. Go find them!


Post on Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:26 pm by Cyrellys

Quote : Joel Skousen
at General James Jones at munich security conference said
at the Nat Sec Council
gets their daily marching orders from
Henry Kissinger & Associates through
General Brad Scocroft
Sandy Berger

Joel said on the SFR website the copy of the above speech is still posted.

More at vid below:


Post on Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:30 pm by Cyrellys


Post on Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:09 pm by Cyrellys

Many good points within. Cy

Post on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:47 am by Cyrellys

In the face:
QUOTE - They're here, and they aren't going anywhere. Mohamed Elibiary, one of the 28 members of the Homeland Security Advisory Panel, is using the blatantly militant Islamic R4BIA symbol on his Twitter profile. Is this a public declaration? To display this symbol on a highly visible social media profile is daring and risky. It is boldly proclaming to 
the world where you stand, where your allegiance lies. Elibiary is making the outrageous and audacious statement that he is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood, jihad, and yet also is employed by the DHS. Contradictory much?
This is 2013 America, where the Muslim infiltration is almost complete. We've been overtaken from the inside out. And this is proof. Elibiary doesn't have to hide his affiliation. And the R4BIA symbol is more than just a "solidarity" statement with the Muslim Brotherhood. It is the symbol for the complete Islamic takeover of the world.
One website reportedly set up by Turkish Muslim activists describes the essence of the R4BIA icon as symbolizing more than the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s described as a “symbol of freedom” but also promotes the “return of Muslims to world stage.” It supports “justice for everyone against rotten Western values,” “a pure martyrdom,” “unification of Islamic World,” “the end of capitalists,” and “the end of Zionists.”
Elibiary steadfastly denies that the R4BIA symbol stands for anything but "Freedom4All." But the symbol is popular with Turkish Islamistst who reportedly said that they wanted to die as “martyrs.”

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Post on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:48 am by Cyrellys

And Bigelow is back...

Norio Hayakawa 
11:00 PM (9 hours ago)

to Open

Norio Hayakawa posted in Open Minds Forum
Norio Hayakawa11:00pm Oct 1

SUSPICIOUS ECCENTRIC BILLIONAIRE ROBERT BIGELOW (and his lackey, Col. John Alexander...and the National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS):
Jesse Ventura - Skinwalker
Jesse and his team explore various corporations that are filling the void left by NASA and continuin...

Post on Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:38 pm by Cyrellys

Post on Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:22 pm by Cyrellys

NY Times has just sent out their news alert that Jeh Johnson is will be nominated to lead homeland security


Godfather Politics is reporting that Obama is signing us over to International Rule through bypassing Congress and secretly negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP):

From the information that has leaked out so far, it appears that this partnership would establish international guidelines for internet freedom, copyrights, patents, food safety and production, fracking, financial practices, medical pricing, pharmaceuticals, land use, telecommunications, energy, product standards, professional licensing, natural resources, service sector regulations and more.

Read more:


“The majority of Congress is being kept in the dark as to the substance of the TPP negotiations, while representatives of U.S. corporations – like Halliburton, Chevron, PHRMA, Comcast, and the Motion Picture Association of America – are being consulted and made privy to details of the agreement.” ~ Senator Wyden (OR)

Marty called it as I see it:  backdoor to Agenda 21.

the article says if it happens that we can kiss our American freedoms good bye forever.  I beg to differ.  Our American Freedoms are already gone and the American People are only now just getting the memo.  We won't get them back until we are willing to go ALL THE WAY to removing the globalist invaders.  The globals can only be removed with physical removal.  And to do it right you'll have to go through every ounce of the Federal and every State gov and "public-private partnership", think-tank, whoever has had a hand in producing policy with a fine tooth comb and remove them from all influence.  And since they won't go quietly, and they've been arming themselves for bear with OUR money, guess what that means?

That part is in the fine print on the proverbial memo from the System.  I wonder if the football obsessed, gmo ridden, prozac drugged remnants of our population will read the fine print?

Not likely.  Oh well.  

"Oh well" the epitaph of a nation?

maybe....or we fly heavily with what we know?  Setting quiet pages for fiction, two for truth....

Seven reads about the gods, chuckles to her self, to the rest she never lets on....try to catch a glimpse of them bickering like modern men...feathers on the sidewalk....if you heard a raven say such horrible words as you may have heard in your day to day...would it make you choose your own more carefully around the ones you love?...


Post on Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:03 pm by Cyrellys

Oh paradigm, paradigm....


Published on May 17, 2013
Cheshire Kitten (We're All Mad Here) By SJ Tucker

I grew up seeing things a little differently, appearing, 
disappearing, hardly innocent, nor 
tied down to the ground. 
I learned to roll and tumble with the punches, 
glory in my stripes and spots 
walk by invisible and never make a sound 

But heavy is the crown that's always hidden 
tender is the heart you never see 
hard and fast shines the grin that we flash, but there's a vulnerable stripe or two on me. 
Maybe any place outside of Wonderland 
is not for me, my friend. 

If I leave my grin behind, remind me 
that we're all mad here 
and it's okay. 
Sun up, sun down the shadows hide me down in 
Wonderland, Wonderland, nobody knows the way, 
but if you find it in your dreams, you can 
find it at your dayjob 
somewhere south of Hell 
Take the path to left or right with 
just your gut to guide you 
the story is not for anyone else to 
Go down the rabbit hole and out the other side 
you can't go home in the middle of the 
magic carpet ride 
you gotta greet the sun before his 
lovely daughter moon 
you can't forsake the journey for the 
safety of your room 
until you learn your lesson well. 

I have learned to see and hear 
everybody loud and clear 
but the truth comes out in riddles that are 
safe enough to share 
that's how it is in songs, you see, 
and stripes always look good on me 
whether or not I'm really there (smile hangs in the air) 
But heavy is the burden of the wise ones 
when no one understands a word they say 
the Jabberwock never bothered anyone, 
but nobody believes him to this day 
and why should they? 

If I leave my grin behind, remind me 
we're all mad here 
and it's ok. 
Sun up, sun down the shadows find me out in 
Wonderland, Wonderland, nobody knows the way 
but if you find it in your dreams, 
you can find it at your dayjob 
somewhere south of Hell 
Take the path to left or right with 
just your gut to guide you 
the story's not for anyone else to 
You gotta go down the rabbit hole and 
out the other side 
you can't go home in the middle of the 
magic carpet ride 
you gotta greet the sun before his 
lovely daughter moon 
you can't forsake the journey for the 
safety of your room 
until you learn your lesson well. 

Is it the stripes or the spots you see? 
Was it hearts or diamonds, baby, led you here to me? 
Darling, you know better than to trust a pack of cards! 
What have we learned, 
the world is never as mad as it could be. 

If I leave my grin behind, remind me 
we're all mad here 
and it's ok!

Post on Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:54 pm by Cyrellys

Well what is scarier? Elemental ghosts or an exopolitical tanist in a Toastmasters speech? Evil grin.

Speech number two is scheduled for Nov 5th. Boy, lot's of ideas. I can pick any subject that suits me as the evaluation is on the organization of the presentation.

It has to have an opening which captures the audience, and leads into the speech topic. Body comes next and should have roughly three sets of main points with subpoints and supporting material. The conclusion should contain a review or summary, and a proverbial memory hook in the form of a call to action, or memorable statement, challenge, question, or even a quotation.

I'm supposed to pay close attention to transitions. The instructions give a nice set of transitional words and phrases to organize the transitions effectively.

Supporting materials can include statistics, testimony, examples, stories, anecdotes, miscellaneous visual aids, and sets of facts.

I'm leaning toward problem-solution or causal topics. No concrete decisions yet.

I could chose from any educational exopolitical subjects since the audience is largely uninformed such as Type I - VI Civilization definitions or maybe the relationships between cultural themes found within the paradigm. I could talk about why inclusion of the issue of unacknowledged Contact is important to our living paradigm, as a possibility too. Getting into the nitty gritty cutting edge topics would probably be a mistake in a 5-7 minute talk since those sorts of things generally require listeners with some foundational understanding to make meaningful sense of. To speak before newbs basically means employing the KISS principle.

Did you know Michio Kaku actually suggests humans might attain Type I status only sometime in the next 100-200 years. This makes not logical sense to me why he'd say this. How can an intellect of his obvious acumen and skill be excluded from being utilized by the paradigm inhabitants unless there's something fundamentally wrong with the guy that the rest of the world hasn't already noticed? A disturbing supposition I know. But does a mechanic walk past unclaimed tools left to rust in the rain?

Shostak seems to me on the dole but somehow I have a hard time thinking of Kaku as on the is it neglect or is it something else...or am I getting sloppy at catching system liars fibbing with extreme prejudice? At least Kaku is more palatable than listening to the Bill Nye on Fox News and other MSM so called two minute debates.

Whatever, I'm getting sidetracked in irrelevant thoughts.

One of the concerns of informed members of the liberty movement includes the inferences to the valuation of the general population in the system's attempts at becoming functionally ready for unambiguous contact. It raises questions about how can the system engage in the event/experience to come in a positive and productive and meaningful way if the whole process of preparation revolves around demonization of your own people and all preps consisting of control infrastructure? A lack of trust begets a lack of trust. Thinly disguised hostility begets clearly undisguised reciprocal contempt and hostility. A vicious and escalating, self-made circle of trouble and chaos looking for a place to happen is born.

Unfortunately that is a subject newbs are not equipped to grasp even with the most skilled speaker in a 5-7 minute span...I'd barely scratch the surface of a list of supporting evidence in that amount of time....back to KISS (keeping it simple stupid).

Post on Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:59 pm by Cyrellys

Good evening, to our 3 guests.

Does anyone know what the extraterrestrial contact paradigm has in common with the use of Drones? Both are glaring windows into the depopulation agenda.

Should anything happen here in the US in the way of depopulation on a catastrophic scale, one might hope that individuals associated with the depopulation/population issue would be hauled in before a world court by their teeth to cough up a lame excuse for their actions. That would include those who bow out when the apparently irrational spotlight hits them.


Post on Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:59 pm by Bard

Cyrellys wrote:Good evening, to our 3 guests.

Does anyone know what the extraterrestrial contact paradigm has in common with the use of Drones?  Both are glaring windows into the depopulation agenda.

Should anything happen here in the US in the way of depopulation on a catastrophic scale, one might hope that individuals associated with the depopulation/population issue would be hauled in before a world court by their teeth to cough up a lame excuse for their actions.  That would include those who bow out when the apparently irrational spotlight hits them.

They are in sequester......Still.


The boogie-man scared them away.....



Post on Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:28 am by Cyrellys

Grin. Quite possible.

With the internal purges going on, I'd guess pretty much all them are holding their breaths and lying low.

A friend rightly suggested that these are the just the beginning and could be construed as being mild. Purges 2 & 3 could be really ugly. Our "german" moment. Come to think of it, I'm not sure of the identity of the Boogeyman, but I might a Bogeyman. Lol, ok not sure if that qualifies, probably not.


A little light reading:

It's current news.


Post on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:22 pm by Cyrellys

Is it fiddlers two or fiddlers three?

Old King Cole poem

Old King Cole was a merry old soul, and a merry old soul was he;
He called for his pipe in the middle of the night
And he called for his fiddlers three.
Every fiddler had a fine fiddle, and a very fine fiddle had he;
Oh there's none so rare as can compare
With King Cole and his fiddlers three.

Old King Cole poem

*What are the contexts which carry forward?

From Wikipedia (it's Celtic) wrote:Origins[edit]

Cole (or more properly Coel, pronounced like "co-ell" or the English word "coil", and not "coal" as in the rhyme) is a Brythonic name. It may have been borne by a number of noted figures in the history and legends of Roman and sub-Roman Britain, most notably by Coel Hen, or Coel the Old. There are several candidates for a historical basis to the rhyme amongst the historical and mythical Coels.

King Cole of Northern Britain[edit]
Main article: King Cole
Coel Hen, whose epithet can be translated as "the Old" or "the Ancestor", is noted in Welsh legend as a leader in the Hen Ogledd or "Old North", the Brythonic-speaking parts of southern Scotland and northern England during or after the period of the Roman withdrawal. The historian John Morris in The Age of Arthur suggested that "The early tradition is that Coel ruled the whole of the north, south of the [Hadrian's] Wall, the territory that the Notitia assigned to the dux [Roman military leader]; but that in later generations it split into a number of independent kingdoms. It suggests that ... he was the last Roman commander, who turned his command into a kingdom."[2] He is credited with founding a number of kingly lines in the North and was regarded as an ancestor figure, suggesting that the territory he controlled must have been substantial.[why?]
and wrote:

Who was Old King Cole?
The origins of the Nursery rhyme lyrics of Old King Cole are based in history dating back to 3rd century. There is considerable confusion regarding the origins of Old King Cole as there are three possible contenders who were Celtic Kings of Britain, all who share the name Coel (which is the Celtic word for the English word Cole). Historia Regum Britanniae (History of the Kings of Britain) by Geoffrey of Monmouth (1110-1155) refers to a King Cole as a king of the Britons. Our research details the contenders as follows:

Coel Godhebog (Cole the Magnificent - b.220 Decurion of Rome)
Coel Godhebog was the Lord of Colchester (the word Colchester means "Cole's Castle"). The Romans had conquered Britain during this period and Coel Godhebog was a Decurion meaning member of the municipal Senate in Ancient Rome who ran a local government. Gaius Flavius Valerius Constantius (250–306) was an Emperor of the Western Roman Empire (305-306). According to the Historia Regum Britanniae Constantius was sent to Britain in 296AD. where his liaison with Helena, apparently the daughter of Coel Godhebog, produced a son who became Constantine the Great.

Coel Hen ( Coel the Old c.350 - c.420 )

Coel Hen, called Coel the Old due to his longevity, was also the Lord of Colchester and a Decurion. This was the time of the Decline of the Roman Empire and the Romans officials abandoned Britain and returned to Italy which was under attack by the Goths. Coel Hen was therefore believed to be the last Decurion. This man is probably the main contender as 'Old King Cole' due to the name he was given - Coel the Old.

St. Ceneu ap Coel ( Born c382 )

St. Ceneu ap Coel was the son of Coel Hen. Ceneu appears to have been made a Saint because he upheld the old Christian ways against pagan invaders.
He used Saxon mercenaries to help with this quest. He was named in the Historia Regum Britanniae as attending the coronation of King Arthur who became the 'One King' of the Britons.

The Origins

The History of the Ancient Britons is being reflected in the origins of Old King Cole encompassing the times of the Celts, the Romans, the Saxons and King Arthur. The Tudor dynasty, starting with King Henry VII, claimed to descend from Old King Cole's royal lineage in attempt to further legitimise the Royal House of Tudor's claim to the English throne. One of the main sources ofinformation regarding the Ancient Britons is taken from the works by Geoffrey of Monmouth. But Geoffrey lived many years later in the 1100's and much of his history on the pre-Saxon kings of Britain is based on Celtic legends - thus adding to the confusion regarding the origins of Old King Cole!
Funny how history repeats itself...once and future king indeed...but in what form?

The nature is what is most important here...a voice from the past ye fiddler's three...

A more recent poem about the fiddler's three, by Julia Zitella Cocke, lends another layer of perception and understanding...


Up in a spreading maple-tree,
Merrily playing sat fiddlers three.
Each had a bow, and each a string,
And oh, they made the maple ring!
With one note this way, one note that,
And each note just a trifle flat;
Playing over the happy tune
They learned in honour of the moon,
And never one mistake they made
In all that moonlight serenade.
For three notes on a single string,
Makes fiddling quite a pleasant thing,
And jolly fiddlers never tire
Who play for love and not for hire,
Up in a leafy, maple hid,
The good old tune of katydid!


lol, merrily we stroll along...

My family has this tradition of planting a tree for each child born.  Twins oft have two trees of the same specie planted for them.  And certain trees are reserved for the first born....

The day I was born, a maple tree was planted for me.


ye merry merry kindred dance and play till the hills rings with the memory of your soul.  Some things are universal.


Post on Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:12 pm by Cyrellys

My Grandmother's book...this is what it looks like:


Title: Road to Survival 
Author: William Vogt
Format: hardcover
ISBN: none
Publisher: William Sloane Associates, Inc. 
Number of Pages: 288 + References 289- 301 + Index 303-355
Publication Date: 1948, copyright by author. assumed 1st 

A revolutionary new view of the world and over population, abused earth unable to support human race.  One of the earliest environmental studies.     Introduction by Bernard M Baruch.   Illsutrated by Stuart I Freeman. 
Was published simultaneously in Canada by George J. McCleod, Ltd.
Introduction by Bernard M. Baruch
Forward by the Author in Washington D.C. April 1948
12 Chapters
Reading List
and Index
book contains a table of Illustrations with 8 figures

Bio on William Voght from Wikipedia
William Vogt (May 15, 1902 – July 11, 1968) was an ecologist and ornithologist, with a strong interest in population control. He was the author of best-seller Road to Survival (1948), National Director of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America and secretary of the Conservation Foundation.
William Vogt was born in Mineola, New York. After graduating with honors in 1925 from St. Stephens (now Bard) College, he was, among other things, an early opponent of marshland drainage for mosquito control and later assumed a series of positions that gave him the opportunity to further pursue his interests in birds and the environment.
In 1942, he was made Associate Director of the Division of Science and Education of the Office of the Coordinator in Inter-American Affairs. Later he served as Chief of the Conservation Section of the Pan American Union, he was given the opportunity to study the relationship between climate, population and resources, in various Latin American countries. These experiences formed the background to the perspective he later elaborated on in his Road to Survival, a book motivated by his strong belief that then-current trends in fertility and economic growth were rapidly destroying the environment and undermining the quality of life of future generations. Vogt’s most significant contribution was to link environmental and perceived overpopulation problems, warning in no uncertain terms that current trends would deliver future wars, hunger, disease and civilizational collapse.
Road to Survival was an influential best seller. It had a big impact on a Malthusian revival in the 1950s and 60s. After its publication he dedicated many activities to the cause of overpopulation. From 1951 to 1962, he served as a National Director of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. In 1964, he became the Secretary of theConservation Foundation. He served as a representative of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources to the United Nations until his death. "Upon his death on July 11, 1968, he was remembered for the provocative questions he had dared to ask and for tackling a subject matter that remained shrouded in controversy."[1]
Further References[edit]

  • Robertson, Thomas. (2012) The Malthusian Moment: Global Population Growth and the Birth of American Environmentalism. Rutgers University Press

^ Pierre Desrochers; Christine Hoffbauer (2009). "The Post War Intellectual Roots of the Population Bomb"The Electronic Journal of Sustainable Development 1(3): 73–97. Retrieved 2010-02-01.




by Pierre Desrochers
What both Ehrlich's supporters and detractors fail to observe is how unoriginal his rhetoric was. Of course, the English clergyman and economist Thomas R. Malthus had articulated similar arguments in his "Essay on the Principle of Population" (1798), but so did many other writers in the interim period.


By a strange coincidence, The Population Bomb was published the year of the death ofWilliam Vogt (1902-1968), the man who had introduced Paul Ehrlich to the Malthusian worldview. 


Vogt belonged to a large group of individuals, many of whom had previously been active in the eugenics movement, who witnessed with horror the diffusion of new agricultural techniques, medicines, and pesticides to less advanced regions of the world. These apparently beneficial technologies, they argued, would soon result in rapid population growth, resource depletion, environmental destruction, and ultimately social collapse. To spread their message more effectively, some propagandists began to use catchwords such as "population bomb," "P-bomb" and "population explosion." This rhetoric became so widespread that it even graced the cover ofTime magazine in 1960.


Vogt's remedies were straightforward. He argued that if political, economic, educational, and other efforts were indispensable, they would only succeed if "population control and conservation [were] included."


According to the Time reviewer, Vogt's outlook on human reproduction was also contradicted by the available data, especially his stance that, as long as food is available, humans would reproduce like fruit flies. To the contrary, evidence showed that richer people were having fewer children despite their access to a more abundant food supply. If Vogt's argument was valid, industrialization should have triggered an increasing birth rate. But this could only be observed in the early stages of the process, whereas a steady decrease was observed afterward. In the end, the reviewer wrote, "real scientists" could only find a few iota of truth in Vogt's "reckless appeals to emotion." This static philosophy, however, gave comfort to the type of state planner who believed that there were only so many resources available and that whatever was available needed to be strictly controlled.


LISER knipselkrant
Little or no weight is given to the fact that Ur , once a thriving seaport, now lies 150 miles within a sterile desert.(Road to Survival, William Vogt, ...

NSSM 200 - National Security Study Memorandum 200
Series of correspondence on a request - original request for a review of overseas population policies by Henry Kissinger written April 27, 1974.
The request resulted in a study to which a number of US agencies contributed and was compiled into a report titled:  "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests." The final study, which is more than 200 pages in length, covered many topics from the viewpoint of each of the participating agencies.
The compiler of the report was the National Security Council.

Quote:  Is NSSM 200 still in force? Technically, the answer is yes. It remains the official strategy paper on population until it is replaced by another of equal importance. However, the implementation of the guidelines may differ from one administration to another. Jimmy Carter, for example, showed considerably less interest in curbing population growth than did his predecessors Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. And the Reagan administration took a somewhat different approach (i.e., the Mexico City Policy that banned direct U.S. financing for abortions). The facts that funds for population control increased rapidly and dramatically during the Reagan and Bush years does not necessarily indicate a newer NSC directive was issued.


Whose population did the security advisers want controlled? The recommendations for reducing fertility applied only to the developing world -- and to all of it. However, NSSM 200 also states that 13 countries of "special U.S. political and strategic interest" would be primary targets. They are: India, Brazil, Egypt, Nigeria, Indonesia, the Philippines, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Mexico, Thailand, Turkey, Ethiopia and Colombia (page 15 of the introduction).


What were the study's main concerns about population? NSSM 200 states that population growth in the developing world threatens U.S. security in four basic ways: First, certain large nations stand to gain significant political power and influence as a result of their growing populations. Second, the United States and its western allies have a vital interest in strategic materials which have to be imported from less-developed countries. Third, societies with high birthrates have large numbers of young people, who are more likely than older people to challenge global power structures. And last, population growth in relatively-disadvantaged countries jeopardizes U.S. investments.


How were NSSM 200 s population goals to be pursued? In addition to disguising hostile intent by "repeatedly asserting" that birth control is useful to development, the writers demand that the United Nations and other multi-national institutions be used as fronts to conceal the extent of the U.S. involvement. They argue that the U.S. should "[a]rrange for familiarization programs at U.N. Headquarters in New York for ministers of governments, senior policy level offi- cials and comparably influential leaders from private life" (introduction, pages 20-21). In some countries, the memo reported, "U.S. assistance is limited by the nature of political or diplomatic relations ... or by the lack of strong government interest in population reduction programs (e.g. Nigeria, Ethiopia, Mexico, Brazil)." In these cases, it would be wise to channel population assistance should through "other donors and/or from private and international organizations (many of which receive contributions from AID)" (pages 127-128).


Did NSSM 200 mention compulsory population policies? It clearly does. It recommends, for example, that the World Bank take the lead. "Involvement of the Bank in this area would open up new possibilities for collaboration," the document says (page 148). The study also advises that the U.S. government played "an important role in establishing the United Nations Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA) to spearhead a multilateral effort in population as a complement to the bilateral actions of AID and other donor countries" (page 121). And it says that, "with a greater commitment of Bank resources and improved consultation with AID and UNFPA, a much greater dent could be made on the overall problem" (page 149). Moreover, the report asserts that "mandatory programs may be needed and that we should be considering these possibilities now" (page 118). It also finds that there is already "some established precedent for taking account of family planning performance in appraisal of assistance requirements" and concludes that "allocation of scarce PL 480 resources should take account of what steps a country is taking in population control as well as food production. In these sensitive relationships, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion" (page 106- 107).

More at:


Agenda 21 -

Post on Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:21 pm by Cyrellys

CyrellysAgenda 21 being one of the products of NSSM 200 - whereas the evolution of the policy is applied at the international level including application in the US...

The next shot heard round the world will be Northern California - Before Its News wrote:I have been aware of Agenda 21 abuses in places like Fort Collins, Colorado, where the courts steal the children from parents who protest against draconian Agenda 21 policies. I’m also aware that in places like Santa Cruz, California and Austin, Texas that individual property rights are severely limited because the local governments have adopted United Nations Agenda 21 policies. However, nothing and I mean nothing, matches the Agenda 21 abuses of individual liberties and private property rights that is going on in the northern counties of California and Southern Oregon. And true to form for the mainstream media, barely a word of coverage has been broadcast or published for a national audience.


Secession Moves Forward
A public meeting in September of 2013, in which the Siskiyou County board of supervisors approved a secession declaration, the Redding Record Searchlight reported

They want to make this entire region a dead zone.

The fervor to leave the state of California was also fueled by Modoc County Supervisors  who voted 4-0 in favor in secession. Federal government abuse of property rights is fueling this rebellion in Northern California and Southern Oregon.


Agenda 21 Objectives Being Fulfilled

   There are clearly a number of forces at work here. First, we see the clear Hunger Games type of agenda in which people have been forced off of pristine land, denied the use of water which results in the destruction of their local food supply. This fact makes people dependent upon the government and the residents of this region will be forced to relocate to urban areas following the devastating loss of their land. This is becoming a popular way in which the federal government is forcing people off of their land all across the country while not having to pay the costs associated with legitimate eminent domain. Plain and simple this process represents a cost-effective method to steal private property on behalf of special interests.
Speaking of forcing people off their land to achieve an "Agenda 21" aka NSSM 200 goal/policy, this is where force conditioning comes in:

Brother Steve,
Peace be with you. I pray that what I tell you will be a benefit in
keeping many of the frozen chosen safe. 
I often listen to you on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report, your insight has
given me quite a thorough understanding of what we face as active duty
members and as Americans.
Sir, I have experienced a few things in my short career as a AC-130U Aerial
Gunner in AFSOC as you can imagine. What I have to share with you deals
with the training we do on a normal nightly routine.
During our normal 4 to 5 hour training missions here in the states, we
accomplish a Live-Fire mission over one of the Eglin AFB ranges, and then
we complete a "Dry-Fire" mission over a town in Alabama and Florida. A
dry-fire mission is a simulated Live-Fire mission without expending any
rounds out from the plane. I believe you might know the capabilities of
the AC-130U Spooky Gunship, so I won't cover them. During a Dry Fire
mission, the Aerial Gunners mainly practice calling out combat evasive
maneuvers to move the plane away any simulated threats (Triple A, and
Manpad). A very demanding requirement in crew communication in order to
keep our 13 member crew safe.
The Dry-Fire missions are brief after the Crew Brief prior to take-off. 
Each Dry-Fire mission has a combat scenario that is followed in order to
complete the required training for a given flight. Every scenario has GPS
cords of the simulated enemy headquarters/positions. So far, 80% of the
Dry-Fire I have been on, the simulated enemy headquarter positions would be
a "Church" (Primary Target).
Picture this: at 9,000 feet in a 30 degree-bank orbit, an AC-130 Gunship
with firepower enough to handle most any Close Air Support (CAS) Call for
Fire tasking is above any town USA. Along with a simulated stack of a UAV
at 6 to 7,000 feet, and a fast mover over top.
I will try to give you a feel for the mission execution: Pattern is
(Simulated) cleared, and we have clearance to go HOT over the target
(unless we have a Kill Box, then it is open season). First simulated round
of 105MM HEI is sent through the roof of the building, this stirs the
enemy, and soon their running in every direction. Time to go DTA (Dual
Target Attack) mode, with 105's still addressing the building structure, we
then (simulate) bring the No. 1.(25MM) or No. 2 (40MM) gun on line to
assist to eliminating any IR signatures that are (simulated) running out
the doors and windows. I will let you fill in the rest.
Everything during the event during a Dry-Fire mission is simulated..No live
rounds ever get chambered or move towards the guns. What I want to make
you aware of is our use of Churches as Enemy Headquarters. Could it be
that leadership is desensitizing us (Special Ops crews) the Quiet
Professionals in possible future missions in firing on "Churches"? There
might be nothing to this training, but I thought you might want to see if
your sources might know.
God Bless You, and Stay Safe.

Oct 29, 2013
Steve, In my years flying fighters in the Air Force we never did anything like this. This is outrageous. At times we would use churches as turn points on our low levels because of their prominent visual aspects. To be desensitizing combat aircrews to the concept of attacking churches is the height of satanic manipulation. I pray that military members know what is going on. 

God Bless you'all.............Dave

Oct 29, 2013
And more on the length to which they will go to cull the herd, remember I mentioned the mortuary teams?

SQ Alerts - witness testimony wrote:CDC GETTING PREPARED FOR MASSIVE PANDEMIC:CDC created new team for pandemic response. 1000 officers, for the 1000 climate controlled tents and the 1000 Mortuary tarilers FEMA ordered"

Got this last night,

"CDC created new team for pandemic response. 1000 officers, for the 1000 climate controlled tents and the 1000 Mortuary tarilers FEMA ordered"

Looks like its Game On.



Oct 29, 2013
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