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The huge 'I told you so,' about the priority natural to the Constitution

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The huge 'I told you so,' about the priority natural to the Constitution

Post by Admin on Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:32 pm

Here back cir. 2008-2010 at OMF and behind the scenes discussions which ranged from email to chat at places like LTR and GT et al, there was the subject about Constitutional Conduct and Oathkeeping in special operations and other systemic constructs that "could" be part of the preparations for operating in a world where Contact is an open, acknowledged fact.  

Uniformed personnel often would side with a belief that if an order were given to violate the Constitution or some other accepted law (unlawful orders) that they were obligated by oath to do as ordered.  It was the early days of the public organization of Oathkeepers.org and clarity about the Oath of Service being first and foremost to the Constitution rather than the structured hierarchy - a conversation that had not really become a common topic in uniformed circles at that time.  It was the waning days of the live war against terrorism before the use of national security against potential terrorism became such an obvious twisted entity.

I was often a broken record in the topics of discussion then about uniformed service members at all ranks maintaining the moral high ground to uphold the Constitution and its principles and of the danger that would be created by violating it.  I recounted more times than I care to consider that when it comes to unambiguous contact and any of the preparations for it, that violating the Constitution in the process will strip all pretense of justification in their actions and that in so doing they would become seen as the greater monster than any cave dwelling bomb addict or suicidal box cutter wielding genocidal pilots from hell.

This evolution from hero to fallen occurs because when you release the principles upon which you are built, trading it for security, you literally lose yourself.  And if the uniformed service members represent us then their acts are a reflection of ourselves and in trading principle for security they strip us of who we are and thus drag us down into internal strife and a new visitation to the chaos that comes with the struggle over identity as a people.  They literally become the problem they sought to prevent.

NSA Head General Kieth Alexander, faced an audience the other day that was a prime example of the fall from grace.  And as I insinuate above, no amount of being the "rescuer from disaster" or "security from evil" can cover for being worse than the "affliction".

Yep I told you so.

Uniforms are like badges.  Many people give them greater credence in authority than reason itself, especially those IN UNIFORM.  It seems to be an odd form of myopia.  Too many forget that behind every uniform or behind every badge or title of office there stands just a man or just a woman.  Fallible.  And the same as our selves.  But when you are in the kettle it appears very hard to discern when uniforms, badges, ranks, or titles of office have been elevated above their clear and common respectable stature and given an unwarranted value of nobility.  And we don't often as citizens in or out of uniform consciously recall that there are no stations of nobility in a Constitutional Republic no matter how appealing the liberties such power and status would afford.

I mention it because, as yet, the fat lady has not yet sung and we still have a brief time to get the ship upright once more.

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Security Consultant Heckles NSA Head: Shouts “Freedom!”; “Read The Constitution!”


Gen. Alexander claims “We stand for freedom”
Steve Watson
Infowars.com
Aug 1, 2013

The NSA head General Keith Alexander faced a hostile crowd Wednesday while attempting to defend mass surveillance programs at the Black Hat security conference in Las Vegas.

Around 30 minutes into his speech, Alexander claimed that the NSA had “stopped thirteen terrorist related activities in the United States,” flashing up a slide that stated the NSA had prevented fifty-four worldwide terrorist events. “Our nation takes stopping terrorism as one of the most important things.” Alexander stated, prompting a man in the crowd to shout “Freedom!”

“Exactly,” Alexander replied. “We stand for freedom.”
Forbes reports that the security consultant, later identified as 30-year-old Jon McCoy, then fired back “Bullshit!” to smatterings of applause from some of the crowd.

“Not bad,” Alexander responded, adding “But I think what you’re saying is that in these cases, what’s the distinction, where’s the discussion and what tools do we have to stop this.”

“No, I’m saying I don’t trust you!” McCoy shouted back.

Another person in the crowd then joined in, stating “You lied to Congress. Why would people believe you’re not lying to us right now?”

Looking stern and visibly annoyed, Alexander responded “I haven’t lied to Congress.”

“I do think it’s important for us to have this discussion.” he added, “Because in my opinion, what you believe is what’s written in the press without looking at the facts. This is the greatest technical center of gravity in the world. I ask that you all look at those facts.”

Alexander continued the speech, stating “We get all these allegations of what [NSA staff] could be doing. But when people check what the NSA is doing, they’ve found zero times that’s happened,” he said referring to any illegal use of spying powers.

“And that’s no bullshit. Those are the facts.” Alexander stated, asking for the curse word to be stricken from the record.

“Read the Constitution” McCoy fired back in one last heckle.

“I have, so should you.” Alexander responded to loud applause from a crowd that was clearly siding with the NSA head.

According to Forbes reporter Andy Greenberg, McCoy told him afterwards that he felt Alexander’s speech was “pretty canned.” “It’s anything you can see on Fox News any day. We’re in danger, we have to get rid of your freedom to keep you safe.” the security consultant added.

“Everyone’s thinking this, but no one’s saying it public, so everyone thinks they’re alone,” he said. “Ninety-eight percent of society has issues with this…But no one speaks up.”

Throughout the speech Alexander repeatedly suggested that revealing further details of NSA’s operations would “jeopardize the future of our defense.”

The NSA head also claimed several times that the spy agency is not collecting information on everyone’s internet activities, despite a report Wednesday in the Guardian, via Ed Snowden’s leaks, revealing another previously unknown mass surveillance program.


Documents published by the newspaper detail the NSA program, known as XKeyScore, revealing it to be another tool that allows the broad search of millions of individuals’ emails and browsing history. An NSA slide from the documents, showing the logos of Facebook, Google, Twitter and Yahoo, suggests that the agency is “interested in HTTP… because nearly everything a typical user does on the internet uses HTTP.”

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Steve Watson is the London based writer and editor for Alex Jones’ Infowars.com, andPrisonplanet.com. He has a Masters Degree in International Relations from the School of Politics at The University of Nottingham, and a Bachelor Of Arts Degree in Literature and Creative Writing from Nottingham Trent University.


This article was posted: Thursday, August 1, 2013 at 10:53 am

Source:  http://www.infowars.com/security-consultant-heckles-nsa-head-shouts-freedom-read-the-constitution/


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Re: The huge 'I told you so,' about the priority natural to the Constitution

Post by Jake Reason on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:41 am

Thank you for sharing all this, Cy.  Yes, you have been a stalwart for this cause from the get-go on OMF.  I have always admired your experience, research, subsequent deep concerns, AND your articulate craft of communicating these warnings and concerns.

The original OMF had many threads detailing the evolution of these concerning and alarming issues.  As virtually All Ufology has included an in-depth awareness of this paradigm for several decades.  

The ironically sad thing about all this, is that the underlining causes and motivations are understandable.  "Continuity of Government" naturally fears the human reactionary implications of Contact/Disclosure.  Simple deduction, requires a recognition that the bases of those fears are well warranted.

Batten down the hatches, a storm is coming!

Different sectors and communities/tribes will seek to secure their hatches, differently.  CLASHES amoung the methods and measures adapted to secure and protect, are inevitable.

There is a peaceful way.  We are amoung the small percentage of the populations who comprehend a peaceful way.  Amoung us and our kind, we bare a greater sorrow for what could be, but probably won't be, until after an extended period of despair is witnessed by the world.  Our sorrow will be, that the greater portion of the mayhem experienced is/was avoidable.

The suffering world will need our peace.  So we must remain strong for all that may endure.



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Re: The huge 'I told you so,' about the priority natural to the Constitution

Post by Cyrellys on Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:08 am

Hi Jake,

What a terrific and thoughtful response. I hold the same regard for you too.

One thing those in a knowledgeable position and uniform back then did not know at the time which I since have been reasonably vocal about in the appropriate circles since is that I have always known about the extenuating factor of the cyclic cataclysm. Yes we are in the middle of the historical "window" for it. And my ancestors remembered it all this time. The description matches. Our culture attests to what it takes to successfully survive the aftermath of it without the benefits of the technological civilization which precedes it. I've been trying to tell them that the principles and character embodied in the Constitution is something they will dearly NEED! Particularly if they do not wish to be wholly reduced to an animalistic barbarism like so many other cultures were the last time it rolled through here in full force.

And beyond that cataclysm, the same is true of any societal issue. You can't solve panic with panic. You can't solve hate with hate. You can't solve corruption with corruption. But you can with an open honor and truth which offers unity and partnership.

Unambiguous Contact is just another day, different flavor.

Let OMF's rescue, restoration, and continuation be an example of what is possible.

Excellence in action.

Cyrellys


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