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Where did all the Open Minds Forum members go?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:29 pm by Admin

With Open Minds Forum restored now for almost half a year at it's new location with forumotion.com we can now turn to look at reaching out to OMF's original members who have not yet returned home. OMF's original membership was over 6,000 members strong, prior to the proboards suspension, according to the rolls of the time. We can probably safely assume that some of those accounts were unidentified socks. If we were to assume a reasonable guess of maybe as many as 30% possible sock accounts then that would leave potentially somewhere between 4800 to 4900 possible real members to locate. That is still a substantial number of people.

Who were all these people? Some were average individuals with common interests in ufology, exopolitics, globalism, corruption, earthchanges, science and technology, and a variety of other interests. Some just enjoyed being part of a vibrant and unusually interesting community. Others were representative of various insider groups participating in observation and outreach projects, while still others were bonafide intelligence community personnel. All with stake in the hunt for truth in one fashion or another. Some in support of truth, and communication. Others seeking real disclosure and forms of proof. And others highly skeptical of anything or limited subjects. The smallest division of membership being wholly anti-disclosure oriented.

So where did these members vanish to? They had many options. There are almost innumerable other forums out there on the topics of UFO's or Exopolitics, the Unexplained, and Conspiracy Theory. Did they disappear into the world-wide network of forum inhabitants? Did some go find new homes on chatrooms or individual blogs? Did they participate in ufo conventions or other public events and gatherings? How about those who represented groups in special access? Or IC and military observers? Those with academic affiliations? Where did they all go and what would be the best way to reach out and extend an invitation to return?

And what constitutes a situation deserving of their time and participation? Is the archive enough? How exactly do people within the paradigm most desire to define a community? Is it amenities, humanity or simply population size for exposure? Most of the special guests have been emailed and have expressed that population size for exposure is what most motivates them. But not all. Long-time member Dan Smith has other priorities and values motivating his participation. Should this open opportunities for unattached junior guests who have experience and dialog to contribute to the world? How best to make use of OMF's time, experience and resources?

Many skeptics would like to see the historical guardian of discourse opportunity to just up and disappear; go into permanent stasis. They think that not everyone has a right to speak about their experiences and if there is no proof involved then there can philosophically be no value to discourse. I personally would respectfully disagree with them. Discourse has always been the prelude to meaningful relationships and meaningful mutual relationships have always been the prelude to exchanges of proof. In a contentious social environment with regards to communication vs disclosure how do we best re-establish a haven for those preludes? Is it only the "if we build it they will come" answer? Well considering OMF has been largely fully functional over the last four or five months this line of reasoning is not necessarily true. So what would be the best way re-establish this? Your suggestions are sought. Please comment.





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Post by Admin on Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:34 am

This thread is for alerting Researchers to events or other important information impacting work in the paradigm.


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Subject: FBI Considers Ways to Destroy a Huge Number of Historically Important Records

Post by Admin on Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:36 am

LARRY W BRYANT
8:35 PM (12 hours ago)

to ufohastings, bcc: me
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Ravnitzky
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:51:13 -0400
Subject: FBI Considers Ways to Destroy a Huge Number of Historically
Important Records - and Also Restore Some
To: FOI-L@listserv.syr.edu

FBI CONSIDERS WAYS TO DESTROY A HUGE NUMBER OF HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT
RECORDS - AND ALSO RESTORE SOME
By Michael Ravnitzky , mikerav@verizon.net

The FBI Records Management Division facility in Winchester, Virginia
experienced a weather-related flood on September 8, 2012 which seriously
damaged one of their important records depositories, which reportedly had
collected records from a number of FBI Field Offices throughout the country.
It has damaged the ability of the FBI to respond fully to FOIA requests.

http://tinyurl.com/q3oz82v

RMD1200151 - SOURCES SOUGHT - DESTRUCTION AND RESTORATION OF CLASSIFIED
RECORDS - FSC: R699 - NAICS: 562910

Issue Date: 09/25/2012
Closing Date: 10/10/2012 - 2:00 PM EST

This solicitation is being posted to the Federal Business Opportunities
(FBO) page located at http://www.fbo.gov/

MARKET SURVEY - SOURCES SOUGHT SYNOPSIS: The Records Management Division
(RMD), of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is seeking information
for market research purposes relative to the destruction and restoration of
classified records. A Request for Information (RFI) is being sought
regarding services for the destruction of approximately 9200 boxes (1.2 cu
ft) of records which have been damaged by flood water and mud. The frozen
mud from the flood waters coats the inside/outside of the boxes to differing
degrees. This mud has been tested and has been found to contain some
contaminants. It may be advisable for contractor personnel to consider
wearing personal protective equipment (PPE) when handling the records.

The respective records were placed in freezer pods and trailers within 72
hours of the flooding to prevent/retard mold growth. At this time the
records remain frozen. The boxes predominantly include textual material
bound by a variety of metal fasteners, but also include non-textual
materials, including CDs, VHS tapes, reel to reel tape, film canisters and
x-rays, etc.

The FBI's normal methods of file destruction have not been successful on
these records. The wet and/or frozen records may jam shredders, even when
thawed. Incineration attempts were not entirely successful. Some records
survived the incineration process.

The FBI now requires professional/expert services to destroy and properly
dispose of the boxes of records. The records include classified material up
to and including the Secret level. The destruction must be complete and
preclude recognition and/or reconstruction.

In addition to the destruction of files, the RMD also seeks a Request for
Information (RFI) for records restoration services. Approximately 700 boxes
of the flood damaged files, also require restoration. These boxes are also
frozen. The FBI requites a records restoration company to restore the files
and return them to the FBI for future use.

The FBI is open to having the services provided onsite in Alexandria
Virginia. An adjacent parking lot would be used to house mobile equipment.
The destruction and restoration of the files at on off-site location is also
permissible. The contractor must have employees that are already cleared at
the SECRET level, or alternatively have employees that are able to obtain a
SECRET clearance.

Personnel, facilities, and procedures must meet the requirements of the
National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual (NISPOM), available at
http://www.dss.mil.

The FBI would like to gather information from interested and qualified
contractors capable of either performing destruction and/or restoration
services. All interested parties are requested to provide detailed
information to include, but not be limited to: restoration and/or
destruction methodology and process, restoration/destruction location,
capabilities, business size and existence of security levels for staff and
facility. The synopsis/submittal (white paper) shall be no larger than 25
pages, excluding supporting information such as commercial literature,
catalogues and manuals.
Interested sources should submit their respective white paper electronically
or in hard copy to the Point of Contact listed below:

Renee Braun, 170 Marcel Drive, Winchester, VA 22602 - renee.braun@ic.fbi.gov

All interested parties should provide the requested information regarding
this announcement no later than Wednesday, October 10, 2012 at 2:00PM, to
the above-referenced POC. White papers may be submitted any time prior to
expiration of this announcement. Responses received after the October 10,
2012, may not be considered in the governments analyses.

Contracting Office Address:
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, District of Columbia 20535
United States
Place of Performance:
Alexandria, VA
Alexandria, Virginia
United States

Primary Point of Contact.:
Renee L. Braun,
Contracting Officer
renee.braun@ic.fbi.gov
Phone: 540-868-4801
Fax: 540-868-1473


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Re: Researcher Industry Alerts

Post by pman35 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:02 am

Thanks Cy , another reason why the omf archives will not disappear Smile


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