Hello, Cy, OMF II - Part 2

From: Dan
Date: August 29, 2013, 9:32:05 AM EDT
To: Rudy Sovinee
Cc: ...... 53 others on the CoF environmental list
Subject: Re: Why the TPTB (The Powers that Be) have been able to ignore population and other activists

Rudy,

We do know that selves exist, despite the fact that science has zero - ZERO - understanding of what a self might be.  Once we take this stark fact on-board, we then need to reexamine the history of the spirit in global culture.  

Then, yes, we can reconsider who we are, from whence we come and whither we go.  We reconsider whether we are a cancer or a chrysalis.  

We might also wonder why the spirit has been so private in its interactions for so long.  And, especially now, in the face of our looming existential crisis, we wonder if we have been deserted.

I see no reason to suppose that we have been deserted.  It has only ever been a question of the Spirit biding its time, waiting for the optimal time and manner of its reappearance.  

But looking into the history of the paranormal, for instance, it became quite clear to me that there was a plan afoot for our salvation.  

Yes, the PtB have been made an offer that they cannot and have not refused.  I happen to be somewhat privy to that plan, as pointed out, in an earlier post.  This is not about might, it is only about what is right, and, as we can all see, the time is getting ripe.  

Have you lost all your faith?  If not, then when and how would you prefer the Spirit to intervene in our human crisis? It is just that simple, Rudy.  

Dan

From: Dan
Date: August 29, 2013, 10:11:00 AM EDT
To: Paul Z
Subject: reading Information and Reality [Paul Davies].......

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised by several of the contributions, and see much potential for further progress....... yet, in the end, there is the overwhelming sense of these folks being so near and yet so far.

It is the totally academic tone of the entire corpus that set my teeth on edge. There is not the slightest attempt to address or even acknowledge the current human crisis. How could such smart folks be so oblivious? It is almost as if they had been given a very explicit protocol to follow, and maybe they were. Nero fiddles, while Rome burns.

Although Davies has covered the anthropic principle in other works, there is not a single mention of it in this latest tome. It seems unthinkable!

It was the last essay that made the biggest impression. Michael Welker does not beat around the bush with his metaphysical postulations. I can borrow the crux of this.

And, in general, I was very pleased with their strong stand against any sort of reductive view of information, and how the entire concept had to be tied directly to the human mind, thus vindicating Wheeler, Wigner, etc. A long overdue and forceful restatement of the obvious.

It is this latter point that Jack [Sarfatti], and the entire rest of the physics community, is so squeamish about. Jack is our Alpha guinea-pig. No?!

Jake quoted the article: wrote:"It's unclear where control lies," one US intelligence official told Foreign Policy. "Is there just some sort of general blessing to use these things? Or are there explicit orders for each attack?"

From Cy's OMF blog wrote:There is more...word from another observer Obama may be preparing to sacrifice three or four destroyers in a counter attack by Syria
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/08/is-obama-administration-preparing-to-sacrifice-4-us-navy-destroyers-to-start-war-with-syria-2748088.html

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Cyrellys
10:16 PM (11 hours ago)

to DF
Here is an Excerpt on Syria from V - a well connected economist who feeds info to SQ...thought it would interest you for perspective:

QUOTE Now unto Syria. The latest drumbeats are an imminent strike by Thursday,there are massive fears in the market and oil prices are surging. There have been reports put out by Big Banks like SocGen and Goldman Sachs that oil can bloom to $150 a barrel if the Syrian conflict goes hot with involvement from Russia and China. The news that I have gotten from my sources run inverse to what many are saying. Take this with a grain of salt but the imminent strike on Syria if it goes through tomorrow will be limited with less than 40 targets. From what I have heard is that this administration has leaked on purpose the sites targeted for strike. They have made it a point to tell Bashar that he is not in any danger and that this is a show of force based on the ruse of a chemical weapons discharge that requires an "international" response. In essence America is playing cop and have to slap the wrist of the evildoer. Barry O. will be meeting with Putin next week to broker a deal to include Russia a place at the table. In other words the banksters are NOT yet ready to pull the trigger NOW in August. But come October all bets will be off.

QUOTE What that simply means is this. Russia will not respond to the limited action against Syria so long as Russian assets are not harmed. Hence Putin also has the targeted sites given to him by Barry . Bashar will move his assets/weapons and this will be a simple show. A show for what? A market reaction test to see how high the fear will build and a needed distraction that will allow more assets to be stolen and more draconian legislation to be passed. Look for the UN small arms treaty, as well as various tests and drills around the country as DHS will be working over time. Again take it for what it's worth, World War 3 does not kick off tomorrow but by October all bets are off. I sense any deal brokered by Barry will be reneged and Putin will feel the sting of the American back stab. At that point it was a pleasure to know some of you and it was an honor serving all of you through the internet and radio. The implosion has started but not yet.

The whistleblower from Afganistan who put out the multi-faceted warning full of detail said that Obama has already signed the UN Gun Ban Treaty but they're keeping it quiet till the time is "right". The mil (army) that has been reported being activated about 1-2 weeks ago for "Washington" per a relative of the individual reporting it to his family is said that they must be in place within 60 days. That puts them on this time frame mentioned above October/November http://tomohalloran.com/2013/08/14/why-ambassador-stevens-was-really-killed-and-who-really-killed-him-plus-oh-so-much-more/

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MILITARY NOTIFIED THAT THEY CAN NOT BE FURTHER THAN 50 MILES FROM BASE STARTING MONDAY
Steve,

Yesterday my daughter called home. Her husband is an E-4 medic at Fort Riley, Kansas. She said that he came home and told her that starting Monday they are not allowed more that 50 miles from base, and this will go on through some time in October. She was really upset, he just joined and she really wanted to come home to visit for Labor Day. This was confirmation on all the rumors that I have heard about the Military not getting Leave on these dates!

God Bless You and Thank You for what You do!

Aug 28, 2013

Source: http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=535


Cy


Source: https://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t158p75-uncommon-thoughts-on-common-things-cyrellys#3618

http://tomohalloran.com/2013/08/28/what-is-the-truth-about-the-nerve-gas-massacre-revenge-or-monstrous-trickery/ wrote:Soon afterwards, Turkish security forces were reported to have found the nerve agent in the possession of fighters for the al-Nusra front, a rebel group linked to Al Qaeda, who were detained while heading across the border into Syria.

tomohalloran.com wrote:This person(s) works for a company called DynCorp Int’l, who according to sources is a “shell company for a US Intelligence agency”… try guessing which one or ones. At one point, “We (DynCorp Int’l) received 97% of our contracts from the US Government. Obama has cut us back 48%. He (is) staging is plan to stay in power past 2016.”

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* July “had to do a medical escort today.” later “leaving here in an hour for Kuwait City.” A few days later… “Using a sat. uplink. Right now my crew and I are on the Syrian border waiting for instructions. Hoping and praying we won’t be sent in to train the opposition….. most are Al Quaida….” When asked how he felt about having to be ordered to train the enemy… the same ones that killed Ambassador Stevens, his response: “This job pays $2700/day… but no amount of money is worth it. Ambassador Chris Stevens was a friend of mine. We worked together in Benghazi in 2010.”

Source: http://tomohalloran.com/2013/08/14/why-ambassador-stevens-was-really-killed-and-who-really-killed-him-plus-oh-so-much-more/

dan wrote:

And let us not forget.......

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=fcrGrxgwF6Y

nor this.......

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCNwgzM2rQ

From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 1:04:57 PM EDT
To: Gary Gripp
Cc: ...... 53 others
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

Gary,

Yes, there is a personal and impersonal aspect of what I claim to know, so let me try to break it down........

There is no known person on our little list who is not agnostic concerning a possible spiritual aspect of the world.  

Is it not then fair to say that human existence and human history may have been predicated upon the long-term, low-level guidance of this spirit or vital force?  We would not be here, had the Force not been with us, from the start.  There is nothing irrational in this quite definite possibility.

Now, we all agree that if we are to survive, even for the next few decades, in any sort of civilized fashion, the vital force is going to have to help us rise up to meet an unprecedented challenge.  

Now, if you are a strict, intellectual pantheist, as are several on this list, there exists no precedent for any sort of ad-hoc, historical intervention.  Such an intervention would fall under the rubric of either panentheism or straight-out theism.  

What I anticipate for our 'salvation' is simply the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).  


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From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 1:43:42 PM EDT
To: Gary Gripp
Cc: ..........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

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Is there any magic in a paradigm shift?  

Is there any magic in the transformation of chimp to human?  Perhaps.  

Is there any magic in a quantum jump?  The jury is still out.  

But, no, I have been lead to believe that, in our hour of greatest need, we are prepared, not just for another paradigm shift, but, rather, for the mother of all such.  

Is this too much to ask, too much to expect?  It is if you are merely a pantheist, but, if you can stretch you mind just an inch or two beyond pantheism, well, better fasten your seat belts.  

It has been well over a hundred years since we have had even a decent paradigm shift, and yet , in the meantime, our knowledge has expanded 'exponentially'.  

I cut my metaphysical teeth on the cosmological anthropic principle, way back in the '70's.  After that, it was the intractability of the mind-body problem.  The scientific community has, for the most part, ignored these shots across its bow.  

Yes, just as the scientific community is ignoring the environmental/population crisis, bless their little hearts!  

But, see, it is just about here that things begin to get a little personal.  It's not always about what you know, sometimes it's also about who you know, and therein hangs a tale.  


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From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 2:10:06 PM EDT
To: Gary Gripp
Cc: ...........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

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Yes, I well understand that anything smacking of magic is a total anathema to the modern mind.  John T is simply reminding us of the psycho-social fact.  

Why should any rational person contemplate magic as a solution to a social problem?  I ask you!  

Ok, then, let's step that down to charisma.  If we have a political problem, then we we should look to a politician to help solve it, and preferably a politician, who, besides her alphabet and sums, also knows her Infinite Sums, and has the charisma to hold our attention for the duration of this lesson.  

No magic, merely an unusual degree of charisma.  

But then, wait, we still will have all those other survival problems to solve.  If we are going to solve all those problems upon which the continued survival of civilization will depend, we are going to need a nearly endless supply of politicians with an historically unprecedented, nearly Infinite Sum, of charisma.  

Or, wait for it, we will need a Magician......!?


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From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 2:44:18 PM EDT
To: Gary Gripp
Cc: ........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

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It would seem that we might need a magician of biblical proportions.  

Oh, dear, is the cat out of the bag?  

Almost, but then look at it this way.........

Yes, we could, as Jack Alpert suggests, coerce ourselves into dumping contraception into the water supply, or we could invent bacteriophages that would render us temporarily sterile or less selfish, or we could use one of the biblical models for some serious social engineering, along the lines of, for instance, Joseph Smith, no relation, but with, say, a bit more in-depth planning.  

Yes, I am leaning toward this latter possibility.  Who will be the planners, and who with be the new Joseph S?  

Look, I hesitate to toss out a plot spoiler, but I have already volunteered and/or been volunteered.   Should I apologize for this possible transgression?  The jury may still be out.  

Does anyone care to hear the rest of this little story, bless your hearts?  Think of me as Scheherazade, redivivus.  


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From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 5:11:51 PM EDT
To: Michael Kavanaugh
Cc: .........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

Mike,

Yes, you make a very fair assessment of my charismatic gifts or lack thereof.  

But, there are two aces in the hole.......

1.)  Ron

2.)  the MoAPS

I gather that no one bothered to google Ron and me, or, if they did, they found nothing remarkable.  

But, now, there is another ace.......  If you were running this show, not necessarily at the CIA, but, say, at the Cosmic Intelligence Agency, what would be your strategy?  

Well, there are two options, as historically presented........

1.)  Power and glory, 'coming in the clouds', or.....

2.)  the Stealth option, 'like a thief in the night'.  

What you see with the R&D show is the best possible combination of these two options.  You use the power option to 'impress' the PtB.  But...... you use the stealth option to, as gently as possible, awaken the rest of us.  

Why so gentle?  Well, just because this show is meant to be of the people, by the people and for the people.  

Or, IOW, this is meant to be an exercise in (cosmic) minimalism, thus do we humans get to be the main protagonists, rather than having to play second fiddle to any sort of deus-ex-machina.  

So far, so good.......?


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On Aug 30, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Michael wrote:

Dan, I agree with you that we may need a charismatic leader to initiate a major paradigm shift that would resolve our most pressing problems. I also agree that some knowledge/power beyond the ordinary may also be needed. However, when you propose yourself as that charismatic leader, I don’t think so. You would have to show me a lot stronger cards than you have to date to convince me you can fill that role. No offense intended, and none need be taken. The proof of a charismatic leader is in his/her ability to attract and move large numbers of people. You have not demonstrated this, and until you do, I cannot take your hints that you might play that role seriously.

From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 5:44:12 PM EDT
To: Michael
Cc: .........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

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First, then, let us consider the R of R&D...........

He does, on occasion, claim to be in the employ of the CIA, but I know of no proof to that effect.

On the downside, there are rumors to the effect that he is an assassin and/or a pedophile, and, of which rumors, I am a prime source, bless my heart.  

But, see, when it comes to saving the world, we, like Mao, don't care if the Cat is black or white, but whether it can catch the mouse.  Ron's erstwhile codename is Catfish.  My name is just Sunfish.  Yes, the Cat did manage to drag in Sunfish, twenty-some years ago.  

If you read one of the first links that pops up, under 'R&D', you will see that I, too, was skeptical about Ron's agenda, so I endeavored to do my due diligence.  After a couple of false starts, I ended up talking to Chris Straub, then the ranking staff member of the SSCI.  He told me that I could rest assured that I was dealing with some very competent people.  Yes, I was reassured.  What can the rest of you do to gain any such assurance?  Mainly, you'll just have to use your god-given common sense.  

A concerted deployment of common sense could go a long way to saving the world, as John T and most of the rest of you are already aware.


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From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 6:14:41 PM EDT
To: Michael
Cc: ........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

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Ok, so much for my BBQ-buddy, Ron.

Next up is the MoAPS, which I also refer to as the BPWH/SWH........

Again, none of this is rocket science or even brain surgery. It is just common sense, on a steroid or two.

See, my other ('aviary') codename was Chicken Little. You, see, we have, for the past several centuries, experienced a knowledge explosion, fueled mainly by science and technology.

The MoAPS that I propose would, in effect, constitute a knowledge implosion, wherein I endeavor, with the help of Ron&Co, to be at ground-zero. So far, they are doing a bang-up job. No?

BPWH = best possible world hypothesis, following Leibniz.

SWH = the small world hypothesis following.... Chicken Little.

Both of these, individually, are very difficult to swallow, I readily admit. But put them together, and, allowing for a little deus-ex-machina, the whole world begins to make sense. This I also refer to as the coherence theory of truth (CohTT). Science, OTOH, has, for the last four centuries, taken us on the other tack, the correspondence theory of truth (CorTT). Going from one to the other will be a veritable Gestalt Switch, or the mother of all paradigm shifts (MoAPS).

It is just that simple. Take the scientific/modern worldview and stand it on its head, and you have the BPWH/SWH.

Whoa...... How are Catfish and Sunfish going to pull this off? Yes, it will require a little help......


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From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 7:52:02 PM EDT
To: Michael
Cc: ........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

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> 98% of humanity believes in some sort of god and/or some sort of soul.  

> 95% of humanity believes in some sorts of anomalous or paranormal phenomena.  

< 1% of humanity believes in scientific materialism.  

What gives?  What do you believe?  

Here is the real question, though, why is the scientific establishment so dead-set against any sort of spiritual intrusion into their domain?  It is because scientific materialism is skating on some very thin ice, metaphysically speaking.  One public crack in their cosmic eggshell, and the metaphysical sky is liable to fall on their heads.  Yes, scientific materialism is like a balloon..... one prick and it is all gone.  

Biologists cannot continence a single instance of teleology, or their entire edifice is liable to collapse.  And, yet, sitting on our shoulders is a teleological machine, par-excellence.  

It is a simple fact that the scientific materialists have gotten themselves boxed into a blind alley, and they truly have no exit strategy.  This is the historical setting for our inevitable MoAPS.  

IMHO, there are many exit paths, but they all lead into sustained periods of social upheaval and confusion, unless there can be a properly supported package-deal, i.e. a clearly thought out MoAPS, and this is where the R&D show has some very definite promise..... more promise than anything comparable on the horizon.  


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From: Dan
Date: August 30, 2013, 8:34:22 PM EDT
To: Michael
Cc: .........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

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Here is another statistic for you........ >70% of our fellow citizens believe that we have been visited by ET's, of some sort, and the government is covering it up.

Hmmm....... well, if you spend a few hours on the internet, you will find that a rather likely candidate for a slot in that task group is just my BBQ-buddy, Ron. What a coinkydink!

But most people cannot imagine how such a cover-up could have succeeded for so long. Has anything comparable ever been covered up, before? Well, that is kind of the point, there is nothing comparable.

I would happily go into quite a song and dance about the mechanics of this cover-up, having lived it for much of my adult life, but it is getting late in the evening, and there are still some other crucial points to cover.

My next point is that one good reason for the success of the cover-up is that we are not actually being visited by ET's, but rather by very accomplished, shape-shifting UT's, or so I have been lead to believe. A UT is an ultra-terrestrial, i.e. 'interdimensional' being. They have been with us since time immemorial, under many, many guises.

In their latest incarnation, as the 'Visitors', they have a very specific mission....... to help prepare us for the 'kingdom-come', a notion that plays a significant role in every spiritual tradition. In these various traditions, associate with this NWO is always some sort of final prophet..... Mahdi, Maitreya, Messiah, Magdelene, Kalki, Spirit of Truth, Second Coming, etc. (4M/K/SoT/X2).

So, yes, I can well understand why you good folks are a bit down on the future of humanity. And, no, I don't expect to change any minds, not without a great deal more supporting evidence. Nonetheless, there you are, and here am I, and I just couldn't resist providing a little preview of possible coming attractions. Please forgive me. Thank you for your thoughtful patience.

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From: Dan
Date: August 31, 2013, 11:16:10 AM EDT
To: Jack Alpert
Cc: .........
Subject: Re: Coming to grips with our human dilemma....

Jack,

Aside from some slight arithmetical disagreements, you and John T are rather on the same page wrt problem solving....... First go after the core problem, then attend to the more peripheral issues.

OTOH, unless we wish to have another fling with tyranny, we are going to need to address the ultimate concerns of our target audience. Spoken like a true marketeer.

Yes, survival is an ultimate concern of nearly every one of us, and, no, it will not hurt to appeal to that concern. But notice, please, Jack and John, that you are not directly appealing to individual, immediate survival. Your appeal is rather to survival in a much more abstract context, despite your photos of kids carrying automatic weapons. One obvious message is to make sure that your kids and your tribe just have more weapons. You, Jack, being Stanford educated, or such, cannot possibly imagine that anyone could be quite that oblivious to your higher intent.

So where do I get off, preaching metaphysics, as it were? What's my excuse? Well, Jack and John, I do go to church and I do listen to real preachers, and they don't sound like you, and, no, they don't sound like me, either.

But, I can see where they can recalibrate, and you do not. I know from whence they come. I've got their number, IMHO.

And, yes, it will take a miracle, but, guess what, there is very good evidence that most of this miracle has already occurred.

At this point, I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm just asking the others, not really you, to consider that scientific materialism and genetic engineering may not be the be all and end all of human existence. And, yes, this show is not over, 'til it's over.

Dan

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Senate Foreign Relations Panel Approves Resolution on Military Action in Syria
A divided Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday approved an authorization of force against the Syrian regime, setting up a showdown next week in the full Senate on whether President Obama should have the authority to strike.

The 10-7 vote showed bipartisan support for a strike, but bipartisan opposition as well. Yes votes included Senators John McCain, Republican of Arizona, Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, and Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona. No votes included Democratic Senators Tom Udall of New Mexico and Chris Murphy of Connecticut. The Senate’s newest member, Edward Markey, Democrat of Massachusetts, voted present.

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dan wrote:Cy,

I thank you for alerting me to the Extinction Protocols.  

The compiler(s?) for this website does a rather thorough job, and does exhibit a biblical/apocalyptic agenda, but is rather more eclectic than similar such compilations that I have seen.  

I don't think I have enquired after your own apocalyptic predilections and/or about their provenance.

from Before Its News wrote:US War Criminal Roll Call: Senators Who Voted To Attack Syria

Wednesday, September 4, 2013 17:00
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Wednesday, the United States Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted to approve a resolution authorizing the United States to strike Syria, a Nuremberg-level war crime.

All Officials Complicit In Taking US To War Against Syria Would Be Guilty of Nuremberg-Level War Crime

“Does this mean that these senators who voted in favor of attacking Syria are complicit in a war crime?” asked Deborah Dupré in Skype.

Legal expert Alfred Lambremont Webre responded saying, “This is a complex question in a rapidly shifting area of international law, namely the liability for war crimes by nations and officials within a nation.

“If we take the Nuremberg principles prohibition against aggressive war, it stands to reason that all officials complicit in taking the US into a war of aggression, including knowing legislators, would be guilty of a Nuremberg-level war crime,” Webre said. “Moreover, some authority holds that the nation itself – in this case the United States of America –  may be indicted for the war crime of aggressive war.”

The vote was 10 – 7.

Most of those who voted in favor of illegally attacking Syria, 7 of the 10, were Democrats.

The senators that voted in favor of the resolution, according to the Washington Post, were:

Robert Menendez (D-N.J.)

John McCain (R-Ariz.),

Bob Corker (R-Tenn.),

Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.),

Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.),

Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.),

Christopher Coons (D-Del.),

Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.),

Timothy M. Kaine (D-Va.) and

Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.).

After the vote goes to the full Senate and House, this reporter will list the names of those who approve attacking Syria.



Sources: Washington Post, Personal Communications with Alfred Webre Lambremont

From: Dan
Date: September 5, 2013, 11:28:12 AM EDT
To: Steven Earl Salmony
Cc: ..... CoF/population list
Subject: Re: Human Right No. 1

Iron fist........?!  

Yes, this has worked in China's confrontation with its population problem.  Can that model be exported?  Not without a great deal of violent repression in the form of fascism or communism in the rest of the world.  Who, here, wishes to advocate that course?  If so, why are you partaking of a debating society?  Why not join with those who advocate such direct coercive action?  

There does remain an obvious alternative...............

The ruling worldview today is still scientific materialism, yet there are many signs that it is losing traction, even or especially amongst the intelligentsia.  

The underlying premise of scientific materialism is that  life is an accident in a meaningless universe.  

In particular, scientific materialism (SM) lends zero credence to the notion that humans are rational.  In which case, there is no point in arguing with people, because we will simply continue to do what we have been programmed to do.  

Both the materialists and the pantheists agree in this denial of human rationality.  

If you wish to engage with humans in a personal and rational manner, there is only one worldview that has ever countenanced such an endeavor........ personalistic theism, and historically there has only ever been one such instance.  Yes, that instance, like all other good ideas, has been very considerably dumbed down.

But it is also the only encompassing idea that has proven open to self-renewal.  

Is scientific materialism open to such renewal?  Where, within SM, has the rationality of humankind ever been given credence?  




On Sep 5, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Steven Earl Salmony wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Reiel Folven
To: Steve E Salmony
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:42 am
Subject: Human Right No. 1

Dear Friends
Jack and John are working hard to gain interest for two different earthsaving measures.
Why not enforce strictly and globally human right No. 1 (according to Preston Cloud): NOT TO BE BORN TO MISERY AND HUNGER.
I know it is too late. I know it will need coercion. I know it will take a strong  fist. But to me the approach make sense.
Reiel

dan wrote:Cy,

I agree that we face many existential threats.  What do you advise that we do to overcome these threats?

My two cents equates to advising that all participants at every level not create additional threats thereby compounding the natural problems.  And it equates to suggesting that vigilance against any other creating an event or scenario or any set of circumstances which could result in creating another existential catastrophe atop those wholly natural.

Imagine the Creative Source, giving the command, "HOLD." And all paused in a holding pattern...waiting.


Or, from whence do you suppose that our new, visionary leadership might come?

It is my understanding the solution already emerges among us - not in this spot; rather in the present, within our context, within reach of our paradigm; parallel till revealed then integrated. It is as yet unrevealed.  You don't at this point control this evolution, it is part of the nature within.  Tame the Nature, not the product!  The darkness we are now experiencing will flee it perhaps with a fight, but good things require good time.  Hunting what is not meant to be found but rather revealed is potentially problematic.  Advanced civilization and evolutionary transformation is a drawn out process of introspection and patience.  When you seem most prompted to strike out is usually when you are most actually prompted to pause patiently in a harmony with an introspective connection to expanded consciousness interwoven with the matrix of potential.  It is not half as complicated as it sounds...it is already a state naturally reachable...cease your dissonance - pause your forward determination, quiet your mind, and listen.  And to this a fourth, patience.

Three timid brothers: Hush!  Stop!  Listen!  ~ Old Irish Triad

From: Dan
Date: September 5, 2013, 11:28:12 AM EDT
To: Steven Earl Salmony
Cc: ..... CoF/population list
Subject: Re: Human Right No. 1

Iron fist........?!  

Yes, this has worked in China's confrontation with its population problem.  Can that model be exported?  Not without a great deal of violent repression in the form of fascism or communism in the rest of the world.  Who, here, wishes to advocate that course?  If so, why are you partaking of a debating society?  Why not join with those who advocate such direct coercive action?  

There does remain an obvious alternative...............

The ruling worldview today is still scientific materialism, yet there are many signs that it is losing traction, even or especially amongst the intelligentsia.  

~ agreed.

The underlying premise of scientific materialism is that  life is an accident in a meaningless universe.  

~ This is how they are treating it.  By my understanding they could not be further from the truth. 

In particular, scientific materialism (SM) lends zero credence to the notion that humans are rational.  In which case, there is no point in arguing with people, because we will simply continue to do what we have been programmed to do.  

~ I agree with you on this above, they have assessed incorrectly.  Humans are rational, and then some.  Though their childhood is turbulent, they have been endowed by Creation with an unalienable body of Soul and a fledgling character with free will to mold.

Credulity and Want of Foresight are imperfections in that Character which must be attended to through self discovery, imagination, and determinate design against any inherent despotism.  There was never any programming but that which was self-inflicted!  Thus this desperate condition of psyche and soul can be remedied!



Both the materialists and the pantheists agree in this denial of human rationality.  

~ no not all.  The vocal minority engage within the circle of system-makers thinking themselves full of truths whilst those with a more thought-filled wisdom are by-passed for their silence, unnoticed.  It is not the speediest rabbit designated to win the race.  Speed sacrifices quality to the Elements of Chaos and Incoherence!

If you wish to engage with humans in a personal and rational manner, there is only one worldview that has ever countenanced such an endeavor........ personalistic theism, and historically there has only ever been one such instance.  Yes, that instance, like all other good ideas, has been very considerably dumbed down.

~ Ah! This is only fractionally agreeable! There have been other instances but value is in the eyes of the beholder and so few attempt engagement in the language of mutual contribution.  Co-creating, co-habitation, mutual reckoning. These principles both formulated and proposed have been felt before and are not mutually exclusive from individualism or wholism.  A balance of empowerment and a balance of intellectual possession on the side of equal liberty and public virtue is attainable yet not sought.  I have marveled at the moaning voices who have never striven to seek.

But it is also the only encompassing idea that has proven open to self-renewal.  

Is scientific materialism open to such renewal?  Where, within SM, has the rationality of humankind ever been given credence?

~ a well put question.  Force vs empowerment.  So fruitful is force of controversy and altercation.  How can any ease of application toward empowerment be contemplated without first consideration, honest trial, and remedy to distinctions of error? 




On Sep 5, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Steven Earl Salmony wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Reiel Folven
To: Steve E Salmony
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 9:42 am
Subject: Human Right No. 1

Dear Friends
Jack and John are working hard to gain interest for two different earthsaving measures.
Why not enforce strictly and globally human right No. 1 (according to Preston Cloud): NOT TO BE BORN TO MISERY AND HUNGER.
I know it is too late. I know it will need coercion. I know it will take a strong  fist. But to me the approach make sense.
Reiel


~ There is no such thing as "too late".  If you can and have thought it, then you have the time necessary!  Issues with time are sometimes sorted using tangents.  Tangents (unforeseen reroutes to reconnect with the imperative) occur in the course of events or circumstances akin to Black Swans (unforeseen events which influence)  and Wildcards (unforeseen individuals which influence)

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In the meantime, I'm preparing for a further convo with Paul re: the Aether..........

1.)  My only interest in the Aether is that it may be seen as a further step away from the Newtonian mechanistic worldview, toward an MoG view, i.e. that the world exists within the mind of God.  

2.)  The Pythagorean/mathematical view, reintroduced by Einstein, was seen as obviating both the Aether and the mechanistic views.

3.)  At that time, the aether was being seen mainly as supporting a mechanistic view, as a luminiferous medium.  With GR, the aether was replaced by the space-time manifold, itself.  Still, the void, the aether and the spacetime manifold were all viewed as objective, logically necessary backgrounds for physics.  

4.)  There is a another problem in physics...... what is the medium than can support the Multiverse, with its bubbly-baby universes, like ours?  This common ground of all universes has no mathematical undergirding, since all possible worlds emerge from it.  It is the ground of the Meinongian jungle.  The background of our particular universe is open only to highly specific forms of symmetry and symmetry-breaking.  

5.)  Can we not suppose that the Aether might be equated with Kant's noumenon or the Jungian medium of the unconscious?  

6.)  But, yes, we do share the intermediate goal of including Jack Sarfatti in these speculations.  

7.)  The holographic model, with its event horizons, provides other perspectives on the aether.  




(cont.)

From: Ronald P
Date: September 5, 2013, 10:38:44 PM EDT
To: Dan Smith
Subject: Fwd: The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told

Watch this and associated videos in preparation for the next radio show.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Aliyah P
Date: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Subject: The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
To: ron


Lets watch this tonite

Check out this video on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/dkamZg68jpk


Aliyah P
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